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    Well, posting a question like that on an open forum certainly won't draw any attention to you.
    I'll do you a favor by not quoting your post.
    Quote Originally Posted by scottryan View Post
    Anybody that owns or sells pistol versions of assault rifles is a bottom feeder, irregardless of the ban status of certain ammunition.

    They are illigetimate weapons that have no real purpose other than to attract retards to the gun community.

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    The law says you can't. But, you are correct. No one will know unless you snitch yourself out and post pics of it all over the net.

    Quote Originally Posted by jmnielsen View Post
    Why can't it be made a pistol after a rifle? I can't change my mind and make a pistol out of my lower if I want? How would anyone ever know the lower was built to a rifle in the first place?



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    ^^^
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    Quote Originally Posted by scottryan View Post
    Anybody that owns or sells pistol versions of assault rifles is a bottom feeder, irregardless of the ban status of certain ammunition.

    They are illigetimate weapons that have no real purpose other than to attract retards to the gun community.

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    I don't believe that is the standard either. You can't have a stock mounted. So unless you are part of the constructive intent/ possession crowd it's a non-issue.

    Quote Originally Posted by jmnielsen View Post
    You don't have to register a rifle or pistol so I'm not sure what they're talking about. All you need to do to make it a pistol is put in a pistol buffer tube that keeps you from mounting a stock. Then you can throw whatever length barrel you want on. You just CAN'T have a stock or a buffer tube that allows the attachment of one. Then it would be a short barreled rifle SBR that would need to be registered because it would be an NFA item.



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    Question about brand new complete lowers.

    Quote Originally Posted by polymorpheous View Post
    Well, posting a question like that on an open forum certainly won't draw any attention to you.
    I'll do you a favor by not quoting your post.
    It was hypothetical, because I was confused.

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    Just ask the LGS to show you the law or what he is citing in writing. You can do some of your own research here (where people have posted the BATFE rulings) which clarify this.

    Quote Originally Posted by mikeyk101 View Post
    Well the responses here have helped out. I could understand a stripped lower being given the option but this is a fully decked out lower with Rifle stock, buffer tube and lower parts kit installed. I would have thought that there would be no option on this and that is why the response from the LGS kind of surprised me. Since ryr8828 bought the exact thing a couple years ago, I wonder if maybe there has been some kind of reclassification here in Illinois since then. Yes, rifle in Illinois has to have a barrel length of 16" or IIRC, 14.5" with a pinned flash hider. But now I have another question. I have read elsewhere and also in the responses about a lower being "registered". Where or with who is this registration done? Illinois does not require any registration, only some local places like Chicago require it. If I was to buy this lower, what would I have to do if I decided to make it a pistol build? Obviously the stock would have to be removed but anything else?



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    Quote Originally Posted by samuse View Post
    I don't know what goes on in IL but if it's a rifle, it has to have a barrel of 16+".

    If it's a pistol it better not have a stock or a VFG.

    There's no swapping back and forth between either.
    Not true. While it's illegal to convert a rifle into a pistol, a pistol with a barrel length of 16" or more may mount a buttstock. As it's a pistol, it does not have to meet the minimum overall length of a rifle
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    Quote Originally Posted by polymorpheous View Post
    Once the lower is built into a rifle, it can not be changed to a pistol.
    A lower is classified by the ATF as "other" not as a pistol.
    Your LGS is full of it. We got one in Delavan, WI that pulls the same shit.
    My one lower was transferred as OTHER, then assembled into a pistol. My next lower was transferred as PISTOL (in PA) by the same LGS, then assembled into a rifle. When I enquired to the discrepancy, the LGS made a mistake about the other lower. LGS stated that I was committing a felony for 'building' a pistol, and not having the lower registered as such. There is NO registration in PA. Fortunately there are other FFLs local.
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    I'm from Illinois also. I had to buy a complete lower back in september instead of a stripped lower because I was told technically it can be turned into a pistol. I was also under 21 so they couldnt sell me a pistol. Now that lower was registered as a rifle.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheAxeShooter View Post
    I'm from Illinois also. I had to buy a complete lower back in september instead of a stripped lower because I was told technically it can be turned into a pistol. I was also under 21 so they couldnt sell me a pistol. Now that lower was registered as a rifle.

    Under 21, this is the only way the FFL could transfer the lower to you. The PISTOL and OTHER designations on the 4473 require the transferee be of 21 years in age.
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