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Thread: Good Price on this CORE15 M4?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ShermanM4 View Post
    It just seems to me S&W gets sort of a "pass" here for not being 100% like DD, BCM, Colt, LMT, LWRC, etc., Where other AR company's do not. Here are two examples.

    Delton extreme duty 316
    Windam Weaponry

    You say how S&W has come a long way, well what about the Delton 316? Check out the tech spec on their page and it is pretty clear it's better than the S&W.

    I posted about the Delton 316 awhile back and it got ripped apart and locked. https://www.m4carbine.net/archive/in.../t-108308.html

    Is Delton not allowed to improve because of their past? I know Delton has some "lesser" models, but so does S&W!

    S&W now has dropped their 1/8 5R from the sport line, went with a 1/9 twist and 4140 barrels... You think they MPI/HPT all their bolts and barrels all the sport? Is the barrel even melonite coated?

    Why don't they have high standards for all their rifles like the "top tier" guys?

    The WW rifles.
    -They don't have the "H" buffer, like the S&W doesn't.
    -They don't have a 1/7 twist, like the S&W doesn't.

    -S&W HPT/MPI tests ALL their bolts
    -WW batch tests bolts
    There isn't much argument here; individual testing is better quality control... Still it would be interesting to see how many fail the tests.

    -S&W had a .mil spec receiver ext.
    -WW commercial receiver ext.

    -S&W F FSB
    -WW A2 FSB

    However,

    -WW uses 11595E barrel steel on ALL their rifles
    -S&W CMV 5R on "some" and how does this compare to the machine gun .mil spec 11595E?

    -WW Chrome lined on ALL their barrels.
    -S&W melonite on "some" of their barrels.

    -WW M16 bolt carrier.
    -S&W AR15 carrier.

    WW rifle's get trashed here for being junk.

    Like I said, it just seems most people here are all or nothing. Anything that doesn’t meet the strict standards is un-trust worthy and should be used for a plinker only. So S&W should be lumped in with the rest, right?

    That’s your right to feel that way, but I am not with most of you on that. I think most any AR15 being made now (with a few exceptions, Carbon-15 comes to mind) will be adequate to protect you and your family in a civilian environment.

    I am not trying to say that all AR’s are equal. DD, BCM ,Colt, Noveske, LMT, LWRC, Larue, etc are top of the line and I personally would rather have those over other brands. I just don’t believe the so called “commercial” company AR’s are THAT far behind to make a significant difference…

    Again, my opinion only.

    Some other companies might be putting out better AR's. From my experience (both looking over the guns and reading problems online), I will not be trusting what the companies you listed post for specs or build quality.

    On the flip side, I have direct contacts within S&W that tell me the truth, have visited their facility and watched them build their AR's. I have consulted to them on their AR program as well.

    For instance, S&W gets their BCG's from the same place that Colt and BCM get theirs. This cannot be said of WW or Delton (to my knowledge).

    I am constantly pinging them to improve their AR's and they DO LISTEN. SO while I don't give them a "pass" I do think they make a high quality product and DO do some things better than 80-90% of the AR market does.



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    CORE-15

    Use the search button and you will see at least two threads about them. They get neither love nor traction on this site. I have posted about them in both post and no need to rehash the info.

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    https://www.m4carbine.net/showthread.php?t=109033
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    Quote Originally Posted by ShermanM4 View Post
    Explain what is poor quality about them... Seriously, from looking at their specs, looks gtg to me.
    Can anyone expound on why they are poor quality?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ShermanM4 View Post
    It just seems to me S&W gets sort of a "pass" here for not being 100% like DD, BCM, Colt, LMT, LWRC, etc.,
    You lump LWRCi garbage in with LEGIT companies???

    Awww hell no, Shinaynay!
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    Chamber dimensions?
    Receiver extension forged or extruded? Dry lube? 6160 or 7570?
    Gas port dimensions?
    Is the heat treat on critical parts like the bolt, barrel extension, FCG, etc to spec?

    Shall I go on?

    There are many things that make a quality carbine.
    Meeting all the requirement set forth by "the chart" doesn't mean it is completely up to par with proven carbines from known manufacturers.
    Quote Originally Posted by scottryan View Post
    Anybody that owns or sells pistol versions of assault rifles is a bottom feeder, irregardless of the ban status of certain ammunition.

    They are illigetimate weapons that have no real purpose other than to attract retards to the gun community.

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    Quote Originally Posted by polymorpheous View Post
    Chamber dimensions?
    Receiver extension forged or extruded? Dry lube? 6160 or 7570?
    Gas port dimensions?
    Is the heat treat on critical parts like the bolt, barrel extension, FCG, etc to spec?

    Shall I go on?

    There are many things that make a quality carbine.
    Meeting all the requirement set forth by "the chart" doesn't mean it is completely up to par with proven carbines from known manufacturers.
    Chambered in 5.56
    4150 Chrome lined 1:7 twist Phosphate coated barrels (MPI)
    Also offer 416R SS barrels on piston rifles and 300 BLK rifles
    F-Marked FSB taper pinned and barrel is coated underneath
    M16 Carrier
    Bolt is shot peened and HPT & MPI are batch
    Properly Staked Gas Key
    Black Extractor Insert
    Milspec buffer tube (Commercial on base rifles)

    CORE actually manufactures their own uppers, lowers (forged and billet), charging handles (billet), trigger guards (billet) and barrel nuts(made from stressproof steel and CNC machined). They also just released their CORE30 model which is a billet upper and lower .308 AR platform.

    Not sure what makes them not g2g?
    Last edited by CXV_JR; 04-01-13 at 11:52.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CXV_JR View Post
    Chambered in 5.56
    4150 Chrome lined 1:7 twist Phosphate coated barrels (MPI)
    Also offer 416R SS barrels on piston rifles and 300 BLK rifles
    F-Marked FSB taper pinned and barrel is coated underneath
    M16 Carrier
    Bolt is shot peened and HPT & MPI are batch
    Properly Staked Gas Key
    Black Extractor Insert
    Milspec buffer tube (Commercial on base rifles)

    CORE actually manufactures their own uppers, lowers (forged and billet), charging handles (billet), trigger guards (billet) and barrel nuts(made from stressproof steel and CNC machined). They also just released their CORE30 model which is a billet upper and lower .308 AR platform.

    Not sure what makes them not g2g?
    In regards to steel, testing, GP size, etc, suggest you read this: https://www.m4carbine.net/showthread.php?t=56063

    In GOD we trust, all others we ask for proof!




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    Last edited by C4IGrant; 04-01-13 at 13:11.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CXV_JR View Post
    Chambered in 5.56
    4150 Chrome lined 1:7 twist Phosphate coated barrels (MPI)
    Also offer 416R SS barrels on piston rifles and 300 BLK rifles
    F-Marked FSB taper pinned and barrel is coated underneath
    M16 Carrier
    Bolt is shot peened and HPT & MPI are batch
    Properly Staked Gas Key
    Black Extractor Insert
    Milspec buffer tube (Commercial on base rifles)

    CORE actually manufactures their own uppers, lowers (forged and billet), charging handles (billet), trigger guards (billet) and barrel nuts(made from stressproof steel and CNC machined). They also just released their CORE30 model which is a billet upper and lower .308 AR platform.

    Not sure what makes them not g2g?
    Reread my post.
    These are questions you can't answer.

    Stag advertises a 5.56 chambers.
    They are known to be tight.
    Quote Originally Posted by scottryan View Post
    Anybody that owns or sells pistol versions of assault rifles is a bottom feeder, irregardless of the ban status of certain ammunition.

    They are illigetimate weapons that have no real purpose other than to attract retards to the gun community.

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    Quote Originally Posted by markm View Post
    You lump LWRCi garbage in with LEGIT companies???

    Awww hell no, Shinaynay!
    smh. These threads are driving markm to Ebonics.
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    Even if it's OK, why gamble with your money when something known to be gtg is available cheaper. Sure that's how newer companies gain traction and build a good reputation, but this isn't my favorite industry to be an early adopter in...

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