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    You're assuming that the dealer has capital that can be tied up in inventory for an indefinite period of time. Many businesses don't...

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    The only "ammo conspiracy" is all the "imminent collapse of civilization" fear-mongering coming from the talkshow kings and the folks building ammo stores in the tens and hundreds of thousands of rounds.

    Maybe the collapse of civilization IS imminent, but I suggest mixing in some long-term food stores with that 250k rounds of 22LR stowed in your extra bedroom.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Warp View Post
    Not a chance.

    For starters that would be highly illegal and could get them into serious trouble. Besides, from a practical standpoint, there are too many of them and all it would take is one to release a whole bunch and REALLY cash in while the getting is good to break it wide open
    Not that I think this is the case, but how and with who?

    If distributors have been willing to fork over the cash to manufacturers to buy as much product as possible only to put it away and wait for demand to peak to release it, then what have they done wrong? It's business. They could have made a business decision to tie up capital in an attempt to maximize profit, but that wouldn't make it illegal. They aren't in contract with consumers. Manufacturers aren't concerned with the final destination of their product once it's been sold and delivered.

    It's far fetched, but well within the rights of business. Could it hurt their relationship with their suppliers? Indeed. Would it land them in a court room? Meh.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kwilkin View Post
    Your analysis discounts expectations. For example, anyone who sold any firearms part prior to sandy hook knows that if they waited just a bit longer, they might have tripled of more their sell price (not asking price, but what some yahoo would pay for it). Of course, none of us saw it coming. From a dealer's perspective, it pays in a time of panic to only release a small part of their inventory at a time in order to not flood his own market. Indeed, if the dealer over commits and buys too much at the peak of the panic then he could be stuck with inventory he can't sell, thereby taking a loss that can only be partially recouped with lower prices.

    My whole point in all of this is that a dealer, by virtue of their FFL, has relatively exclusive access to the supply of serialized firearms. They have an incentive to speculate on the panic and are in a position to take advantage of non-FFL holders. The FFL gives a monopoly of sorts.

    If the FFL/dealer expects everything to be bought at higher prices the closer a ban is to take effect, then he loses money on each sale he makes today; he would make more tomorrow. Thus, he can slowly trickle out his inventory in order to get the highest price.

    It's pretty simple economics, really.
    Ok, good point, and something along those lines made me think it possible, at 1st, that intentional hoarding, or at the very least, calculated "holding" back of inventory to control the market & prices was going on, especially from the middlemen?

    Who knows...bottom line for me is it is unfortunate that the America I grew up in ( I turn 60 this year...) and that my generation & Dad's (also ALL before) fought & died for...is GONE, and has been for some time...SADLY, the BRAVE & PATRIOTIC men & women who have and are serving in Desert Storm, Iraqi Freedom & Afghanistan are fighting for what's left of our once great nation, the "ideal" of what was.
    NOT to diminish their service one iota, one cannot control what era they are born into and their service is JUST as patriotic & brave as any others...it may be the only America they know and STILL worth fighting for...but unless ALL of us, NOT ONLY soldiers fighting enemies abroad...stand up to our enemies within, to maintain our FREEDOMS and do our part to help preserve the U.S. Constitution & Bill of Rights, we are doomed !
    The eroding of our Rights & Freedoms...brainwashing of the masses that the "nanny state" knows best, "no need to work hard, take risks, raise yourself up...vote for us and get free stuff"...FREE, huh, lol., is what will destroy our Nation, from within....just like the Romans and ALL world powers that were unmatched & untouchable militarily...all before us fell to denigration within, moral decay, decline of faith & family, etc..
    The floods of new immigrants from long-time aforementioned nanny state-entitlement governments, that know nothing of what that will bring...and have never enjoyed the kind of FREEDOM once guaranteed by such as the 1st, 2nd, 4th, 5th Amendments and the whole of our founding documents...are what these liberal snake-in-the-grass politicians are betting on...to secure their party's future power.

    Let your voice be heard, unrelenting...until this slippery slope is halted & reversed...until PATRIOTS are the majority in our "ELECTED public SERVANTS".
    Instead, those we have now are acting like "self-appointed" public serpents.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kwilkin View Post
    Your analysis discounts expectations. For example, anyone who sold any firearms part prior to sandy hook knows that if they waited just a bit longer, they might have tripled of more their sell price (not asking price, but what some yahoo would pay for it). Of course, none of us saw it coming. From a dealer's perspective, it pays in a time of panic to only release a small part of their inventory at a time in order to not flood his own market. Indeed, if the dealer over commits and buys too much at the peak of the panic then he could be stuck with inventory he can't sell, thereby taking a loss that can only be partially recouped with lower prices.

    My whole point in all of this is that a dealer, by virtue of their FFL, has relatively exclusive access to the supply of serialized firearms. They have an incentive to speculate on the panic and are in a position to take advantage of non-FFL holders. The FFL gives a monopoly of sorts.

    If the FFL/dealer expects everything to be bought at higher prices the closer a ban is to take effect, then he loses money on each sale he makes today; he would make more tomorrow. Thus, he can slowly trickle out his inventory in order to get the highest price.

    It's pretty simple economics, really.
    With the internet for so many sales there is no such thing as a single dealer flooding their market. Let's say it was actually possible for a dealer to "flood" their own market while making a huge profit. That's just a whole bunch of profit!

    Anybody who held onto stuff in January hoping prices would go higher is, well, not a very intelligent person IMO.

    Seriously. NOT selling when PMAGs were going for $100 and 6920's were going for $2,500, hoping to sell later for even more, would have been just plain stupid.

    But I'm pretty big on a 'bird in the hand' way of thinking, and I've been saying for 5 years or so that there would be no national ban on magazine capacity or weapon types, so perhaps the fact that I have, so far, been correct, makes the correct decisions seem that much more obvious to me
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    Quote Originally Posted by ScatmanCrothers View Post
    Not that I think this is the case, but how and with who?

    If distributors have been willing to fork over the cash to manufacturers to buy as much product as possible only to put it away and wait for demand to peak to release it, then what have they done wrong? It's business. They could have made a business decision to tie up capital in an attempt to maximize profit, but that wouldn't make it illegal. They aren't in contract with consumers. Manufacturers aren't concerned with the final destination of their product once it's been sold and delivered.

    It's far fetched, but well within the rights of business. Could it hurt their relationship with their suppliers? Indeed. Would it land them in a court room? Meh.
    I don't see how this strategy would work unless they all raised their prices, together, on the product they were releasing. Smells of conspiracy/price fixing from a mile away, but that's not my area of expertise by any stretch
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    This conversation is drifting into price fixing and a network of dealers conspiring to create the restricted supply of arms and ammo. Something posters can't agree upon conceptually.

    So, perhaps some should join a local militia and see if you can figure out who is the undercover FBI Agent and ask him to explain supply side economics vs Keynesian economics.
    Send lawyers, guns and money the $#!+ has hit the fan...

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    I'll be happy when I can get some powder and choice primers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beachboy View Post
    ask him to explain supply side economics vs Keynesian economics.
    I must have missed something. What of this could relate to Keynes? Maybe Napolitano's "infrastructure spending" in buying up billions of rounds of ammo?

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    Quote Originally Posted by _Stormin_ View Post
    I must have missed something. What of this could relate to Keynes? Maybe Napolitano's "infrastructure spending" in buying up billions of rounds of ammo?
    Just trying to add a little levity to this thread. It has about run its course, I believe.
    Send lawyers, guns and money the $#!+ has hit the fan...

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