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Thread: Barrels: Nitrided Stainless vs. Chrome Lined 4150CMV

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    now please

    add in the way barrel is made HF vs. button ....hammer is better way to go ....the best way is NOT cheap !
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    In ARs, throat erosion will kill the bbl first. In which case nitrocarburizing is superior to chrome. I think at this point, chrome is little more than a vestige of an old manufacturing process. I can't think of a firearms related application where chrome would be prefered over many newer metal treatments.

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    This obsession over barrels is freaking unbelievable.

    Barrels are consumables. Shoot them till they die and slam another on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cz7 View Post
    add in the way barrel is made HF vs. button ....hammer is better way to go .
    Better? How? Less stresses in the barrel? Tighter dimensional control of bore dimensions?

    What evidence do you have of this?

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    For all the amateur metallurgists and material scientists here: http://www.intechopen.com/books/heat...ment-of-metals

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alpha Sierra View Post
    For all the amateur metallurgists and material scientists here: http://www.intechopen.com/books/heat...ment-of-metals
    REALLY good tchit, Alpha!

    extra info: earlier in this excellent thread, 'crystallization' had been mentioned. ALL steel that is below the melting point ['bout 2600°F] is a crystalline solid. period. It may be ferretic [all carbon steel such as 1006, 4130, 4150, and the 400-series stainlesses, like 410 & 416]; it could be austenetic [304, 316, 321 stainless], it could be partially martensetic. But ALL non-molten steel is crystalline.


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    Better? How? Less stresses in the barrel? Tighter dimensional control of bore dimensions?

    Both. Evidence? Our military. Specifically, in the mid 70's Rock Island Armory extensively tested M14, M16, and M2 barrels made with Steyr process CHF against traditional methods and found significantly improved barrel life, dimensional accuracy, and smoothness.

    Several euro mfg's and military users found the same, and still specify steyr process CHF.

    Not really a surprise, the Germans invented CHF as a way to increase barrel life on the MG42. BTW, HHF and cold rotary swaging did not achieve the desired result, which was the more widespread mfg process prior.

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    CHF is THE way to produce a shitload of barrels QUICKLY. THAT is why the military loved it so much.

    Yeah, they have had the shit cold worked out of them, which makes them pretty tough. It also makes them useless without a lot of stress relief (more $$). As far as your claims of surface quality and dimensional stability, they are entirely dependent on process control, just like they are in other methods of barrel making.

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    CHF was developed to churn out a large number of barrels quickly and economically, even with the added cost of stress relief. CHF isn't the only barrel making process that uses stress relief.

    Ask Grant about the difference between the life of Colt CHF vs button rifled AR barrels.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MistWolf View Post
    I paid $325 to have a 20 inch Lothar-Walther SS barrel delivered to my door complete with bolt matched to the barrel. .
    Where did you get this LW barrel?

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