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    45degree cant for Left Eye Dom shooter

    Since I am severely LED would it be dumb idea to find a 45 degree mount that cants it to the left?

    I still haven't got one to try mounting way forward on the rail in hopes that will give me the angle my left eye needs to see the dot naturally

    But I got to thinking about simply letting the offset mount place it in front of my eye.

    Would there be a reason not to try that?

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    Why don't you just shoot lefty?
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    I hear ya, but my daughter is cross eyed dominant and trying to teach her to shoot lefty, like her daddy, is turning shooting events from being fun for her to being a major PITA. So for me I'd be interested in a solution that kept her shooting instead of turning her off to it.
    In today's world one of the best things you can do for your child; Get them in Scouting, stay with them in the program, and encourage them to stay in.

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    If you mount an RDS in an offset mount, you have to cant the gun so the sight is Top Dead Center so that your bullet flight is in line.

    Otherwise you'd have to settle on a fixed, short range zero... or zero the weapon so that there's a fixed windage gap in POA/POI.
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    I'm ok with left handed from a fixed position, but handling the weapon and mag changes, etc.. just seem really cumbersome.

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    I don't quite understand the canting issue. Does the RDS know it's tipped to the side?

    It seems like if I adjust it for 100yrd zero in front of my left eye, how does it know where it sits? If I hit X at 100 not canted, wouldn't it hit 2.5" straight down at 25 yrds. I mean the barrel is round. If the initial zero is derived from position A no matter what that is, won't it simply scale scale right back like normal?

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    Directed at no-one in particular.

    I'm just going to say this and let it go:
    I've trained a few thousand students, and the long-term solution is to either train the left side to work with the left eye or the right side to work with the right eye when it comes to shoulder-fired firearms. Eye dominance with pistols is virtually irrelevant, until the day you lose vision from one eye.

    My goal is to be proficient with both sides, with either eye, and that is accomplished through repetition and force of will.

    There are many ways to "help" a shooter ignore the non-sighting eye's vision, and unless the dominance is so bad that the image overlay of each eye's input is not achieved a simple red-dot with a target focus will generally answer the mail.

    Failing that, professional one-on-one coaching will do far more than jury-rigging a sighting system together. At the end of the day, marksmanship requires discipline and concentration, there isn't a short-cut for that. If the user lacks the discipline and focus to close an eye or use the other hand then I would have to wonder if there is sufficient maturity for firearms use.

    I apologize if I come across as unsympathetic, I assure you that I really do care about helping shooters become the best that they can, but I also believe that there must be a level of maturity and dedication to grow past the dirt-clod shooting phase.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tb-av View Post
    It seems like if I adjust it for 100yrd zero in front of my left eye, how does it know where it sits? If I hit X at 100 not canted, wouldn't it hit 2.5" straight down at 25 yrds. I mean the barrel is round. If the initial zero is derived from position A no matter what that is, won't it simply scale scale right back like normal?
    Because the path of the trajectory will not be straight "up" to the optic as when normally oriented, but rather "up and left", which will cause for a more complicated offset at any distance closer or further away than your zero distance.
    This is something that has to be dealt with when using most IR laser systems. Improperly done, or under-appreciated, and less than stellar result is the outcome.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tb-av View Post
    I'm ok with left handed from a fixed position, but handling the weapon and mag changes, etc.. just seem really cumbersome.
    I am LED and right handed. Work through awkwardness of shooting the rifle left handed. It is well worth the effort. It took me at least one solid year including several carbine classes to become comfortable shooting lefty. The results will be that you are an overall better shooter.

    Mike

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    Quote Originally Posted by Failure2Stop View Post
    Directed at no-one in particular.

    I'm just going to say this and let it go:
    I've trained a few thousand students, and the long-term solution is to either train the left side to work with the left eye or the right side to work with the right eye when it comes to shoulder-fired firearms. Eye dominance with pistols is virtually irrelevant, until the day you lose vision from one eye.

    My goal is to be proficient with both sides, with either eye, and that is accomplished through repetition and force of will.

    There are many ways to "help" a shooter ignore the non-sighting eye's vision, and unless the dominance is so bad that the image overlay of each eye's input is not achieved a simple red-dot with a target focus will generally answer the mail.

    Failing that, professional one-on-one coaching will do far more than jury-rigging a sighting system together. At the end of the day, marksmanship requires discipline and concentration, there isn't a short-cut for that. If the user lacks the discipline and focus to close an eye or use the other hand then I would have to wonder if there is sufficient maturity for firearms use.

    I apologize if I come across as unsympathetic, I assure you that I really do care about helping shooters become the best that they can, but I also believe that there must be a level of maturity and dedication to grow past the dirt-clod shooting phase.
    Booyah. That's the gospel (with a small 'g'). If you're primarily right handed, left side sucks and feels awkward...and many will consider it the "weak" side...until you do it a bunch. Then, it becomes just the "other" side.
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    10-4 on the cant deal. I just can't picture it in my mind. I might have to draw that out on paper but I'll take you guys word for it.


    There are many ways to "help" a shooter ignore the non-sighting eye's vision, and unless the dominance is so bad that the image overlay of each eye's input is not achieved a simple red-dot with a target focus will generally answer the mail.
    I'm having a hard time understanding the last part of that. About the unsympathetic part... I was not reading that into anything you wrote so no worries there.

    As far as one eye closed. I have no issue with that. I can go left hand both eyes or one eye but right hand has to be one eye only OR.. I have to move my head all around to find the dot and then it still feels like someone is inside my forehead jacking my eyeballs around.

    But do you mind re-phrasing that comment above. Not quite sure what I'm supposed to understand from that.

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