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    Whoever manufactured the SBR is required to have their info engraved on the weapon, period, regardless of whatever else any one individual says. You may not get caught or they may not care, but that doesn't mean you're not breaking the law.

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    Title 27: Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms

    § 479.102 How must firearms be identified?

    (a) You, as a manufacturer, importer, or maker of a firearm, must legibly identify the firearm as follows:

    (1) By engraving, casting, stamping (impressing), or otherwise conspicuously placing or causing to be engraved, cast, stamped (impressed) or placed on the frame or receiver thereof an individual serial number. The serial number must be placed in a manner not susceptible of being readily obliterated, altered, or removed, and must not duplicate any serial number placed by you on any other firearm. For firearms manufactured, imported, or made on and after January 30, 2002, the engraving, casting, or stamping (impressing) of the serial number must be to a minimum depth of .003 inch and in a print size no smaller than 1/16 inch; and

    (2) By engraving, casting, stamping (impressing), or otherwise conspicuously placing or causing to be engraved, cast, stamped (impressed), or placed on the frame, receiver, or barrel thereof certain additional information. This information must be placed in a manner not susceptible of being readily obliterated, altered or removed. For firearms manufactured, imported, or made on and after January 30, 2002, the engraving, casting, or stamping (impressing) of this information must be to a minimum depth of .003 inch. The additional information includes:
    (i) The model, if such designation has been made;

    (ii) The caliber or gauge;

    (iii) Your name (or recognized abbreviation) and also, when applicable, the name of the foreign manufacturer or maker;

    (iv) In the case of a domestically made firearm, the city and State (or recognized abbreviation thereof) where you as the manufacturer maintain your place of business, or where you, as the maker, made the firearm; and

    (v) In the case of an imported firearm, the name of the country in which it was manufactured and the city and State (or recognized abbreviation thereof) where you as the importer maintain your place of business. For additional requirements relating to imported firearms, see Customs regulations at 19 CFR part 134.

    (b) The depth of all markings required by this section will be measured from the flat surface of the metal and not the peaks or ridges. The height of serial numbers required by paragraph (a)(1) of this section will be measured as the distance between the latitudinal ends of the character impression bottoms (bases).

    (c) The Director may authorize other means of identification upon receipt of a letter application from you, submitted in duplicate, showing that such other identification is reasonable and will not hinder the effective administration of this part.

    (d) In the case of a destructive device, the Director may authorize other means of identifying that weapon upon receipt of a letter application from you, submitted in duplicate, showing that engraving, casting, or stamping (impressing) such a weapon would be dangerous or impracticable.

    (e) A firearm frame or receiver that is not a component part of a complete weapon at the time it is sold, shipped, or otherwise disposed of by you must be identified as required by this section.

    (f)(1) Any part defined as a machine gun, muffler, or silencer for the purposes of this part that is not a component part of a complete firearm at the time it is sold, shipped, or otherwise disposed of by you must be identified as required by this section.

    (2) The Director may authorize other means of identification of parts defined as machine guns other than frames or receivers and parts defined as mufflers or silencers upon receipt of a letter application from you, submitted in duplicate, showing that such other identification is reasonable and will not hinder the effective administration of this part.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mahk View Post
    Whoever manufactured the SBR is required to have their info engraved on the weapon, period, regardless of whatever else any one individual says. You may not get caught or they may not care, but that doesn't mean you're not breaking the law.
    Yes. The original mfgr of the receiver has to do that, and then the "maker" of the SBR also has to. The "maker" can use the original mfgr's serial number and model number, so if you're making an SBR you don't have to engrave that, but you do have to engrave your name, city, state just like the original mfgr did. According to the law, anyway. Like a lot of field law enforcement personnel, they don't always know every detail of every law that they're supposed to enforce. Likewise, as a typical government regulatory agency full of typical government functionaries, the advice you get when you call is highly likely to vary depending on whom you talk to.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hmac View Post
    Yes. The original mfgr of the receiver has to do that, and then the "maker" of the SBR also has to. The "maker" can use the original mfgr's serial number and model number, so if you're making an SBR you don't have to engrave that, but you do have to engrave your name, city, state just like the original mfgr did. According to the law, anyway. Like a lot of field law enforcement personnel, they don't always know every detail of every law that they're supposed to enforce. Likewise, as a typical government regulatory agency full of typical government functionaries, the advice you get when you call is highly likely to vary depending on whom you talk to.
    Pure semantics. The definitions of "maker" and "manufacturer" are inconsistent and interchangeable for all purposes except filling out a Form 1 (IE: "Intent to manufacture", rather than "Intent to make".

    Via ATF.gov:
    Q: May a FFL or an individual legally possess the parts to manufacture an SBR or SBS as long as no firearms are actually assembled?
    The bottom line is whoever is the first one assembling the weapon in an SBR configuration is responsible for engraving.
    Last edited by Mahk; 04-23-13 at 14:18.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mahk View Post
    The bottom line is whoever is the first one assembling the weapon in an SBR configuration is responsible for engraving.
    Yes, the person assembling the weapon into an SBR has to engrave his name/city/state. That's in addition to the engraving required of the original manufacturer of the stripped receiver, who has to engrave their name/city/state as well as model number and serial number.

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    If engraving an SBR mattered, they'd have you assign a serial number like you do when you engrave your home-made silencer.

    SBR engraving is just a perversion of an actual engraving requirement that's taken a on a life of its own by government bureacrats and internut gun forum masturbators.
    "You people have too much time on your hands." - scottryan

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    (c) The Director may authorize other means of identification upon receipt of a letter application from you, submitted in duplicate, showing that such other identification is reasonable and will not hinder the effective administration of this part.
    Would you like to see a variance letter for NOT engraving an SBR? I can try to scan and post it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hop View Post
    Would you like to see a variance letter for NOT engraving an SBR? I can try to scan and post it.
    I'd like to see this. Engraving is cheap and I had mine done, but lots of people have bern told by cluesless people at the AFT that it is not required (name, city, etc).

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    Quote Originally Posted by berserker View Post
    Mailing address is a business address. I agree the CLEO must be at your residence. In order to avoid any processing delays, I think it's going to be safer to use my residence address for everything.
    Yea, that is the smart thing to do, as you don't reside at your business, and the business is not the one manufacturing the item.

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    I'm about to get my lower engraved are there any restrictions of the engraving placement? I'm considering getting my engraving underneath the pistol grip on the receiver.

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