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    Quote Originally Posted by SigSlave View Post
    Ok, you guys win. Assembling AR's is difficult.
    It depends. I had successfully built a Para FAL prior to building my first AR. The FAL was simple even with needing to be head spaced and the AR simpler still. (I found the assembly of the AR upper to be easier than the assembly of the lower, contrary to popular opinion). I have been working with my hands since I can remember, modifying, assembling, building and fabricating things since a child.

    For me, it's easy and it should be easy for others as well. But that's not always the case. I can tell someone "all you gotta do is torque it to 30 inch/pounds and see if it lines up" only to discover they do not even know how to turn a wrench! Not being able to turn a wrench is beyond my mortal comprehension. It's so simple, anyone can do it, right? Yet there are folks who cannot turn a wrench.

    For example, last Friday, I helped one of my pilots repair a lawn mower. Part of the linkage to lower the cutting blades had come loose. While he fiddled with it I thought "no big deal, all he had to do is loosen a couple bolts, reposition the bar and retighten." Instead, he digs out a big hammer and proceeds to attempt to beat the parts into place!

    ARs are easy to build if you use parts of known specifications and are building to a known configuration and have some idea of what you are doing. Beyond that, all bets are off
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    Quote Originally Posted by MistWolf View Post
    .......Part of the linkage to lower the cutting blades had come loose. While he fiddled with it I thought "no big deal, all he had to do is loosen a couple bolts, reposition the bar and retighten." Instead, he digs out a big hammer and proceeds to attempt to beat the parts into place!.......
    I was leading a canoe trip, one morning one of the participants, a "Professor" at a local junior college came out of the latrine and told me the toilet was broken. He said he had plungered it did not fix the problem. Looked at the toilet, pushed the handle, nothing, opened the lid, chain off the lever, reconnect the chain, push the handle, if flushes, put the lid back on. I walked out and announced the toilet was fixed. He asked me if I was a plumber. This is what I think of when I think of "no skill". But the guy is hell on a soccer field. He keeps up with guys half his age. I wish I was as fit as he is. Don't have time. Too busy fixing and building shit.
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    it's not that tough to build, I consider myself not too handy but capable to assemble a rifle from scratch no problem.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SigSlave View Post
    Ok, you guys win. Assembling AR's is difficult.
    Its not difficult, it just takes a certain level of experience and skill.

    A person with no experience whatsoever with AR15's will not know how to properly build one right away. Which is why most of the time I don't recommend a build to a newbie until he gains experience with the rifle first.

    Once you are doing it for a while, it will seem easier.

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    OP, lots of online video specifically devoted to each individual part installation. Pick up a mil spec lower receiver, a set of roll punches, a lower parts kit and get started on installing one part at a time. You will easily figure out each part and avoid scratching up your receiver by taking your time and not rushing any part. Once you get assembling underway you will understand what tools you will use to complete each part. Good luck, you will enjoy your build like everyone else who ventured down the same path before you!
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    I am sure that the classes offered by members here are great. I am sure that I would learn something new by taking them...

    HOWEVER...assembling an AR (from quality parts) is relatively easy. I put my first lower together with NO specialty tools whatsoever and the only specialty tools I currently use are roll pin punches. I can assemble one in less than 10 minutes. Are mistakes possible? Absolutely! I recently put a spring in backwards. Easy mistake because the lower will still appear to function. But that doesn't mean its difficult.

    The upper is only slightly more difficult and I say more difficult only because the vice blocks REALLY help on this. Using quality parts, it is really quite easy to assemble.

    I use the term ASSEMBLE. Generally speaking, we are NOT buidling ARs, rather assembling them from parts. I am not using 80% lowers or drilling my own barrels. If a gas block needs pinned, I am sending it off to a shop. I buy my BCG complete from BCM (or similar). If you are doing it similarly, you do not need $400 worth of tools and a class taught in another state.

    Can I drill my own barrel or assemble and stake a BCG? Certainly, but why? Start off with a basic assembly move on from there.

    As someone pointed out, knowing what makes a component quality is the biggest key to this.

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    Not saying I doubt you, but I would love to see you assemble a fully stripped new lower into a functional one in less than 10 minutes. I can't do it on my best day and I have literally assembled hundreds of them if not close to a thousand.

    How to do you install the castle nut without a castle nut wrench? How do you stake it?

    In addition to vise blocks for the upper, you also need some type of barrel nut wrench or a combo wrench. You don't use starter punches or flat tip punches at all? You don't use a torque wrench for the barrel nut?

    Quote Originally Posted by whiskey lake View Post
    I am sure that the classes offered by members here are great. I am sure that I would learn something new by taking them...

    HOWEVER...assembling an AR (from quality parts) is relatively easy. I put my first lower together with NO specialty tools whatsoever and the only specialty tools I currently use are roll pin punches. I can assemble one in less than 10 minutes. Are mistakes possible? Absolutely! I recently put a spring in backwards. Easy mistake because the lower will still appear to function. But that doesn't mean its difficult.

    The upper is only slightly more difficult and I say more difficult only because the vice blocks REALLY help on this. Using quality parts, it is really quite easy to assemble.

    I use the term ASSEMBLE. Generally speaking, we are NOT buidling ARs, rather assembling them from parts. I am not using 80% lowers or drilling my own barrels. If a gas block needs pinned, I am sending it off to a shop. I buy my BCG complete from BCM (or similar). If you are doing it similarly, you do not need $400 worth of tools and a class taught in another state.

    Can I drill my own barrel or assemble and stake a BCG? Certainly, but why? Start off with a basic assembly move on from there.

    As someone pointed out, knowing what makes a component quality is the biggest key to this.



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    You should come to one of my classes and see all the ones that people thought were assembled "correctly".

    Just recently in Georgia I saw several department issued SBR's where the local "Bubba" installed all of their suppressor mounts. He put crush washers on everyone.

    The training officer had an AR that was modified by the local gun store by adding a rail. They removed his FSB, installed a low pro gas block with no barrel dimple, no Loc-tite on the screws and they used the cheapest screws that do not have the aggressive "teeth" which will prevent them from loosening. The installed the Troy rail with no Loc-tite on any of the screws and I was able to break them loose with minimal force.

    One of the other agencies brought in a Colt 6933 that was about 7-8 years old that had virtually no inspections or maintenance performed on it and the gas rings were completely worn out.

    Point being there are alot of people who think they know, but they really only know Jack S.Hit.

    Quote Originally Posted by jayband View Post
    it's not that tough to build, I consider myself not too handy but capable to assemble a rifle from scratch no problem.



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    Quote Originally Posted by whiskey lake View Post
    I am sure that the classes offered by members here are great. I am sure that I would learn something new by taking them...

    HOWEVER...assembling an AR (from quality parts) is relatively easy. I put my first lower together with NO specialty tools whatsoever and the only specialty tools I currently use are roll pin punches. I can assemble one in less than 10 minutes. Are mistakes possible? Absolutely! I recently put a spring in backwards. Easy mistake because the lower will still appear to function. But that doesn't mean its difficult.

    The upper is only slightly more difficult and I say more difficult only because the vice blocks REALLY help on this. Using quality parts, it is really quite easy to assemble.

    I use the term ASSEMBLE. Generally speaking, we are NOT buidling ARs, rather assembling them from parts. I am not using 80% lowers or drilling my own barrels. If a gas block needs pinned, I am sending it off to a shop. I buy my BCG complete from BCM (or similar). If you are doing it similarly, you do not need $400 worth of tools and a class taught in another state.

    Can I drill my own barrel or assemble and stake a BCG? Certainly, but why? Start off with a basic assembly move on from there.

    As someone pointed out, knowing what makes a component quality is the biggest key to this.
    I would speculate that 10-minute lower will fail in a rigorous test with thousands of rounds in one session or an intense 3-gun competition.

    Quality takes time. I would not want a company or a smith to build me an AR in 20mins (10m for the lower).

    Sure, take 10 mins to build your lower. I ask, whats the rush??
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    There is no rush. It just takes 10 minutes or less to assemble a lower properly when you have everything laid out properly in front of you and you have done a few.

    Uppers are just as easy.

    Lets use Colt as an example because the quality is great and they are a well respected brand. Do you guys think that all of the assembly line workers are all professional armorers that eat, sleep and breathe AR15's like we do or do you think they are just average people who probably worked outside of the industry and never built one before they got there. I'm sure there are some AR nuts like us but if you have ever worked in manufacturing, you will know that most assembly workers are just average people there to do their job. This isn't a bad thing, it just is what it is.

    How long do you think it takes them or any other manufacturer to build one? I bet anybody could build a rifle in under 20 minutes if shown how to do it properly the first time.

    As far as speed of build equaling quality of build, wouldn't every Colt fail a 1000 round course or 3 gun match using your reasoning?

    Just face it, it is rediculously easy to assemble an AR.
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