Are these decent groups?

**Eurodriver** · 05-12-13, 20:10

Let me preface this by stating that I am genuinely curious what your opinions are - I have no motives (either to brag, or whatever) by posting this.

Today I went out to the range. I haven't been in a millenia. I wanted to make sure my rifles were still zeroed. I am just wondering considering ammo, shooting platform, etc would you be happy with these groups? I guess I'm only asking because although I will continue to practice and get better I would like to know just how much more accuracy is capable from these weapons given the ammunition/barrel length, etc.

Also, the groups are only ~7 or 8 rounds due to time constraints. Both strings began just before cease fires were called.

Federal XM193 at 300 yards.
12.5" BCM Stainless Steel Barrel w/ AAC 762SD
Cheap grip-pod bipod and folded spotting scope bag for support
TA31 4X ACOG
Black circle is 8" in diameter

Federal XM193 at 200 yards
10.3" DD Barrel w/ AAC M4-2000
Same cheap grip pod
Aimpoint T1 4 MOA

Edit, and don't count the flies as shot holes

**Wormydog1724** · 05-12-13, 21:58

I'd say no.

**ALCOAR** · 05-12-13, 22:35

The vast majority of folks have no clue what their rifle's accuracy is on paper @ 200/300yds....so either way good for you for actually evaluating your rifle to the best of your abilities.

Your shooting results are below:

With the right optic, and trigger I'm sure those groups could be smaller, but considering the optics, and lack of trigger acknowledgment I'd say those groups are to be expected irregardless really of barrel length...be it a 10.5 or 16".

**ICANHITHIMMAN** · 05-12-13, 22:40

Given what your working with I say yes

**Apricotshot** · 05-13-13, 07:22

I zero my 16.5 and 14.5 inch carbines with T-1's at 200 yards. No fancy triggers and my groups are fist sized.

OP have you taken a carbine class yet?

ETA: Did you try grouping without the cans on?

**Littlelebowski** · 05-13-13, 07:31

Looks good, seems ammunition limited.

**Eurodriver** · 05-13-13, 07:41

Originally Posted by Apricotshot

OP have you taken a carbine class yet?

ETA: Did you try grouping without the cans on?

You could say that. I have some documentation from the Marine Corps that says I know how to shoot and teach others how to as well.

No. "Friends don't let friend's shoot unsuppressed" and all that...

Originally Posted by TRIDENT82

The vast majority of folks have no clue what their rifle's accuracy is on paper @ 200/300yds....so either way good for you for actually evaluating your rifle to the best of your abilities.

With the right optic, and trigger I'm sure those groups could be smaller, but considering the optics, and lack of trigger acknowledgment I'd say those groups are to be expected irregardless really of barrel length...be it a 10.5 or 16".

Those charts were awesome, I really appreciate it brother. I saw the link at the bottom, is the program easy to use?

These are from a little while back, I'd really like to use that program on this target and see what my MOA was but I don't want to download it if its a pain in the ass.

This was with Federal XM855 and the 12.5" w/ ACOG at 565 yards. That 11th shot on the far left was not one of my impacts and circled in error. I'm gonna try out the program and see if I can get it figured out.

Even still, I'm going to take it out Thursday or Friday and try again. I didn't get to shoot much at distance yesterday. I want to do 10 round groups anyway.