Questions for the masses on Firearms Instructors

[C4IGrant]

I am curious how you guys feel about instructors that:

1. Don't tape holes in the target.

2. Allow students (meaning that is acceptable) to put rounds outside of the A or -0 zone in a IPSC or IPDA target (under 25yds).

3. Don't provide any diagnostic help to the student when they are not meeting the set goals.




C4

[markm]

My dude is hard core on all of that stuff. He's so crazy he believes one should dial wind if they feel it necessary when taking a longer shot because if you go to court, "I just held off a little" isn't good biz. Everything should be quantifiable.

[Ironman8]

I am curious how you guys feel about instructors that:

1. Don't tape holes in the target.

2. Allow students (meaning that is acceptable) to put rounds outside of the A or -0 zone in a IPSC or IPDA target (under 25yds).

3. Don't provide any diagnostic help to the student when they are not meeting the set goals.


C4

I say why pay the money to go do the same thing under an "instructor" that you can do at the range on your own time?

If an instructor isn't pushing you or teaching you something new, or calling you out when need be, then you may as well just throw the money away.

With that said, I think it's up to the student to really push himself and hold himself accountable for all shots. I think there's also "some" students who go to classes for the wrong reasons (well at least it's wrong to me), and end up not getting anything out of the class, good instructor or not.

[markm]

I think there's also "some" students who go to classes for the wrong reasons (well at least it's wrong to me), and end up not getting anything out of the class, good instructor or not.

Yep. There to wear tac gear and make a lot of noise.

[C4IGrant]

I say why pay the money to go do the same thing under an "instructor" that you can do at the range on your own time?

If an instructor isn't pushing you or teaching you something new, or calling you out when need be, then you may as well just throw the money away.

With that said, I think it's up to the student to really push himself and hold himself accountable for all shots. I think there's also "some" students who go to classes for the wrong reasons (well at least it's wrong to me), and end up not getting anything out of the class, good instructor or not.

Agree. When I attend a level 1 type class, I push my self to shoot faster and more accurate than the instructor requires. Always push your self to meet or exceed the instructors expectations.


C4

[Ironman8]

Yep. There to wear tac gear and make a lot of noise.

That, among other reasons...

Agree. When I attend a level 1 type class, I push my self to shoot faster and more accurate than the instructor requires. Always push your self to meet or exceed the instructors expectations.

C4

Yeah, I think you see it more with Lvl 1 classes than the "advanced" or "specialty" classes.

[MrTips]

I am curious how you guys feel about instructors that:

1. Don't tape holes in the target.

2. Allow students (meaning that is acceptable) to put rounds outside of the A or -0 zone in a IPSC or IPDA target (under 25yds).

3. Don't provide any diagnostic help to the student when they are not meeting the set goals.


C4

Sounds more like paying for a personal RO than an actual instructor.

[sammage]

Sounds more like paying for a personal RO than an actual instructor.

My thoughts exactly...how is that behavior conducive to skill development?

[NeoNeanderthal]

Most people that go to local fire arms classes (I'm not including top tier traveling instructors like Vickers, Hackathorn, Lamb, Costa, Haley, Defoor, F2S, ext) are actually not their to learn. They just want to be able to say they have been there.

Many people that go to these classes want to be able to have classes under their belt to furfill a concealed carry requirement or to back up their bullshit in conversation. As consequence they dont like to be pushed and have a whole toolbox full of excuses for not being able to perform. I've seen it with cops, and civilians. However, millitary that go outside the system to get training tend to actually give a shit and i have not seen it with any of them.

I have been guilty of it myself. I got certified as an AR armorer partially so that when acquaintances have issues with there AR they might be more likely to listen to me when I tell them that their DPMS is shit.

[tb-av]

3. Don't provide any diagnostic help to the student when they are not meeting the set goals.

C4

I can't imagine paying for a class and not getting a diagnostic. That's like scheduling to see a specialist doctor for an unknown ailment and he never comes in the room to see you.