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Thread: Do Extra Power Springs and Buffers Really Have the Same Effect?

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    Quote Originally Posted by saddlerocker View Post
    How many fps would be needed? The new GpPro does 30fps.
    Would u really need close to 1000?
    I don't know jack about video tech.
    Yeah, that's unfortunately not fast enough. It's a really nice and expensive camera. I think to even rent one is in the 1000s.

    Same type that gets you the quality slow motion action from a Jerry Bruckheimer flick.

    You could make a video of yourself in a run and gun competition with one of those then send it to S&W to apply for competition sponsorship. You can be a shit shot...but you'll make them look cool doing it...lol.
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    Upping the spring weight in order to run a lighter buffer without changing any of the gas system related parts is silly. Most aftermarket stuff fails, because reinventing the wheel mathematically is worse.

    With carbines that are inherently overgassed, ADDING reciprocal weight is still what you want do to. If your 11.5" is still back-heavy with a can on it, I have the feeling you're running a needlessly heavy stock. H2/Sprinco Blue is my preferred setup, other than the VLTOR A5 kit in stock form, but I haven't had any issues with an H buffer and stock spring.

    The A5 makes sense to me (indifferent about that little spring - obviously it can run without that) just because it makes better use of the RE length, and has no negative effect on OAL when used with an ACS or EMOD stock.
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    It's not rear heavy with the can btw.

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    Quote Originally Posted by markm View Post
    The BCG bounces a little more of the barrel extension whenst going back into battery. Now don't get me wrong... it's not a magnificent difference.... but you can see the difference.

    The thing with the Spikes buffer is this:

    1. It's cheaper to make since Tungston powder is much less than the tungstion weights... and.

    2. It caters to the ARFtard crowd who is affraid of the sounds that buffer weights make in the gun. Nevermind the fact that actually firing a gun is VERY much louder... but that's ARF logic for you.

    Mark, you know what else silences the weights inside of a buffer?

    The spring inside an A5 buffer!
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    OP, think of it this way:

    Heavier springs increase the cyclic rate. Heavier buffers decrease the cyclic rate. Couple a substantially heavier spring with a heavier buffer and you're going to reach a point where you start INCREASING gun movement during cycling instead of decreasing it.

    As others have said, run a Springco White or Blue with the heaviest buffer that your gun will function with....or go to the Vltor A5 system.

    I run an A5H4 (6.8oz) buffer and std Vltor A5 spring on my BCM 14.5" middy. I have enough ass to spare that I use an LMT E-carrier as well and still it runs everything I feed it. I don't have a can.
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    modifying the weights and springs to shave weight is silly.

    Modifying the springs and weights to have your rifle function more smoothly/reliably makes a whole lot of sense.

    Correct me if I am wrong, from what I understand using a stronger spring and heavier weight will not only mitigate recoil and function more reliably, but assure that your internals last a bit longer by slowing down the action, alleviating stress on high wear parts. Especially running suppressed.

    That is why I like the Vltor A5 RE & weight.

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    Phreakish, one of Vltor's engineer's who worked on the A5, has commented on this board before. I am not sure if increasing bolt life and extractor spring life were design goals or even considerations, but ANYTHING that slows extraction and unlocking in the AR system is going to have a positive effect on bolt life.

    I don't think anybody has quantified said effect, if it is even measurable. If they have, I haven't seen the data.

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    Well that sucks, I bought a ST-T2 for my MK18 I'm putting together.

    I'll give it a whirl regardless and see for myself.....enough people run them with positive results that I'm not sold on it being the asinine product some paint it to be.
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    I will bet you all the money in my pocket that your MK18 will probably run with an H3. Why anyone would use the ST-2 is beyond me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 5POINT56 View Post
    Well that sucks, I bought a ST-T2 for my MK18 I'm putting together.

    I'll give it a whirl regardless and see for myself.....enough people run them with positive results that I'm not sold on it being the asinine product some paint it to be.



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    I noticed that the VLTOR A5 buffer and spring is only compatible with the proprietary buffer tube. Does anyone know if the Sprinco Blue spring works with the standard Mil-Spec buffer tube?

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