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    Quote Originally Posted by Army Chief View Post
    I can speak only for myself here, as I'm not aware of any particularly recent staff discussion along those lines. Personally, if a guy only cares to populate GD, he's probably missing the whole point of this resource, but that (in and of itself) doesn't necessarily mean he's contributing to a problem, or that he should be rooted-out and discarded. The manner of conduct is still what we will tend to use as the GO/NO GO standard in those cases.


    AC
    I happen to be one of those guys. I don't contribute a great deal to the tech forums because in 99% of the cases somebody else already has. There isn't much point in me following a Larry Vickers answer, it's not like I'm going to add some great insight regarding a firearm, it's history or applications that didn't just get covered in great detail.

    There have only been a few instances where I had very specific and unique knowledge (such as my posts on the first HK semi imports) where I had a reason to post in other forums. But that has been pretty much accomplished.

    For the most part, when it comes to the rest of the forum, I read answers more than I answer questions and usually there isn't a lot of room for debate on most subjects. There are times when people ask personal preference questions regarding guns, gear and applications but being from an older class of shooter I don't know what the cool kids are doing these days so I try not to weigh in with "How cool I think the Beatles are."

    Also I enjoy discussing firearms, gear and applications but there is more to life. And I find some of those other discussions far more interesting even if we don't all have a similar consensus like we might have on firearm related topics.

    Now there are probably thousands of forums where one can discuss politics, beliefs and philosophies of life. But generally they are largely populated by people who I hold little respect or regard for so I have no interest in their answers on those given subjects. I'd actually be more willing to entertain their sling suggestions.

    This forum however is populated by people who have experiences, life styles and outlooks that I do respect. So even if we don't share exactly the same beliefs on everything, they are the only people who I'd consider comparing ideas such as politics, beliefs and philosophies of life with. So long as everyone remembers to not take it personal if somebody believes otherwise it shouldn't be a problem.

    I the time I've been here I have found there is only one person I cannot have reasoned and logical discussions with so I simply put that person on ignore. Problem solved.
    It's hard to be a ACLU hating, philosophically Libertarian, socially liberal, fiscally conservative, scientifically grounded, agnostic, porn admiring gun owner who believes in self determination.

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    Quote Originally Posted by THCDDM4 View Post
    Thanks for holding INDIVIDUALS accountable for their actions instead of punishing the group.
    Agreed, it's a real pisser when one member decides to troll a thread.

    You get one guy that decides his or her often narrowly on topic opinion needs to be woven towards several otherwise casual observers. Then when someone like AC or other admin takes the time they don't have in their schedule to browse a thread they see 5 people in a pissing match over who knows what then lock the thread.

    Unfortunately... some of these threads are current events and I often like to hear the varied opinions on the subjects. These subject's often unfold over time as well... like Zimmerman v Martin or Boston Bomber.

    So I would suggest use the "report post" feature so the admins can go direct to the person you see as trouble, make their decision, and we can all move on without a forum full of locked threads.

    A forum troll's goal in life is to draw as many people into a thread of adversity with narrowly on topic and supportable comments in an effort to label those drawn in as wrong headed, disruptive and adversarial and as a bonus get a thread closed. Each time they succeed in this they use those results to support their further disruptive and luring behavior in other threads.

    The real disagreements... the real RU f'n Nutz or Dude STFU comments usually start and end with a post or two naturally.

    The Troll likes to fish all day.

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    Civility (aka the "We Will Crush Your Balls" edict).

    Quote Originally Posted by tb-av View Post
    You get one guy that decides his or her often narrowly on topic opinion needs to be woven towards several otherwise casual observers. Then when someone like AC or other admin takes the time they don't have in their schedule to browse a thread they see 5 people in a pissing match over who knows what then lock the thread.
    That's pretty much what happens, and to be perfectly honest about this, I always feel like a prick when I have to lock a thread. As you say, though, it is often hard for a mod to wade in to a heated debate and have any idea where it really started to go off of the rails, or who should bear the blame.

    Part of that is because, with very few exceptions, I don't know -- or can't remember -- which member(s) have difficulty getting along with which other member(s). So, when you see Joey Bagadonutz show up and rain on your thread, and you already loathe the guy because you went toe-to-toe in a 2008 discussion about which way the free end of a roll of toilet paper should hang, well ... you're going to get spun-up in a hurry, whereas I don't know any of that history, and the whole thing just looks like a senseless brawl to me.

    That's in large part why I'm asking folks to just clear the books, settle the accounts, and try to let go of whatever histories you might have with another member -- for whatever reason. If that is A Bridge Too Far, as SteyrAUG has pointed out, there is always the "ignore" button.

    AC
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    Quote Originally Posted by Army Chief View Post
    That's in large part why I'm asking folks to just clear the books, settle the accounts, and try to let go of whatever histories you might have with another member -- for whatever reason. If that is A Bridge Too Far, as SteyrAUG has pointed out, there is always the "ignore" button.

    AC

    Yep, there are plenty of people I disagree with. And I can go 8 or 9 pages disagreeing with them. But while I don't share all their views, I really don't have a problem with them.

    Even the few that I seem to be at odds with 90% of the time are probably more like me than most of the people I come into contact with during the day. We simply don't agree on every subject under the sun.

    I don't even strongly dislike the one person I have on ignore. I just couldn't have a reasonable discussion with that person so I stopped trying.
    It's hard to be a ACLU hating, philosophically Libertarian, socially liberal, fiscally conservative, scientifically grounded, agnostic, porn admiring gun owner who believes in self determination.

    Chuck, we miss ya man.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Army Chief View Post

    Guys that would share their ammo or canteens with any of their fellow members here suddenly want to punch some of those same dudes in the nose because of some goofy position on a social, religious or political issue? That's truly not seeing the forest for the trees.

    AC
    If there was a like button on this forum I would like this thread...

    AC I think this is the problem with America, and yea it's here too, and I've contributed too so thank you for the warning. I agree let's make this place better. I'm trying to tone my snarkieness down and stay away from GD and into the real areas of the forum that brought me here in the first place.
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    Does this go for senior members? I've been treated in a way that is not so great buy some senior members of this site.

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    I swear, whenever I read one of Army Chief's posts I hear Liam Neeson's voice.

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    Civility (aka the "We Will Crush Your Balls" edict).

    Quote Originally Posted by morbidbattlecry View Post
    Does this go for senior members? I've been treated in a way that is not so great buy some senior members of this site.
    Don't confuse a "senior" member with a "civil" member.
    But what then is capital punishment but the most premeditated of murders, to which no criminal's deed, however calculated it may be, can be compared? - Albert Camus

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    Whatever happened to pointing/timeout or just plain banning the **** out of the people who don't get it?

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