New Nightforce Model 2.5-10x42

[armakraut]

Damn, of thought the title was a typo... 2.5-10x24...

Alas it's 42, not 24...

Ain't that the truth.

Considering the popularity of the 2.5-10x24 with people who shoot other people in the face you would have figured that one lousy company would pick up where nightforce left off until viable 1-10x scopes come on the market.

Lo does it call...

[TAZ]

because trying to range at anything below 6 or 8 power is really stupid...

Maybe ranging at powers below maximum isn't optimal, but having a consistent scale to use for holds isnt such a stupid idea. Having the ability to shoot at 5x or so and hold for wind without needing the demand a multiplication factor is kinda efficient.

I have a FFP 2.5-10 on one of my rifles and its cool, but becomes utterly useless at below 5x as the reticle becomes next to invisible. I wish more people would do the thick outer stadia that you zoom past as SWFA did on the 1-6 unit.

If you want a FFP then IOR or Vortex are the affordable game right now in the 2.5-10 range.

[glocktogo]

Maybe ranging at powers below maximum isn't optimal, but having a consistent scale to use for holds isnt such a stupid idea. Having the ability to shoot at 5x or so and hold for wind without needing the demand a multiplication factor is kinda efficient.

I have a FFP 2.5-10 on one of my rifles and its cool, but becomes utterly useless at below 5x as the reticle becomes next to invisible. I wish more people would do the thick outer stadia that you zoom past as SWFA did on the 1-6 unit.

If you want a FFP then IOR or Vortex are the affordable game right now in the 2.5-10 range.

This. I fail to see how the benefits of any power ranging and wind doping in a FFP, outweigh the downside of a reticle that's barely visible up close on quick targets and subtends too much of the target at longer distances.

Of course I also fail to see how the added durability of a 20oz+ scope "outweighs" the benefits of speed and balance on an AR platform. Guess I'm just stupid that way.

[TAZ]

This. I fail to see how the benefits of any power ranging and wind doping in a FFP, outweigh the downside of a reticle that's barely visible up close on quick targets and subtends too much of the target at longer distances.

Of course I also fail to see how the added durability of a 20oz+ scope "outweighs" the benefits of speed and balance on an AR platform. Guess I'm just stupid that way.

Neither train of thought (SFP or FFP) is stupid. They are a matter of personal preference. My personal scope (IOR 2.5-10 gen 1) works for me. When I stated that the reticle was useless at powers below 5x I meant for ranging or accurate holds. I can still see the reticule to shoot with at even 2.5x. However at that power it's all Kentucky windage as you'd need some serious time to make out the fine lines. That's for my tired old ass eyes. Someone with better eyes could probably do better.

Just as an FYI FFP reticles don't subtend targets differently at different ranges or powers.

In the end the choice is going to be a personal one base on the mission and your own criteria or comfort or whatever you call it.

[RHINOWSO]

Ain't that the truth.

Considering the popularity of the 2.5-10x24 with people who shoot other people in the face you would have figured that one lousy company would pick up where nightforce left off...

Indeed. I understand the limits of a 2.5-10x24, and how a 32 or 42 is "just a little bigger and you get more performance out of it" but sometimes, for some people, form factor is more important / a trade off for slightly reduced performance / capability.

Oh well...

[armakraut]

I agree with you on the form factor. As one of the nightforce reps said over on arfcom when the scope was discontinued.

"I prefer the NXS 2.5-10x24 over the 32"

People pay more for used x24's than new nightforce units, that says a lot.

[ICANHITHIMMAN]

I agree with you on the form factor. As one of the nightforce reps said over on arfcom when the scope was discontinued.

"I prefer the NXS 2.5-10x24 over the 32"

People pay more for used x24's than new nightforce units, that says a lot.

Its silly as well because there still available threw the mil program.

[RHINOWSO]

Its silly as well because there still available threw the mil program.

Yup. I'd buy one today if they were available new.

Yup, still on the MIL website... upgraded with the new PTL...

http://nightforceoptics.com/military...ct-riflescope/

[ra2bach]

Maybe ranging at powers below maximum isn't optimal, but having a consistent scale to use for holds isnt such a stupid idea. Having the ability to shoot at 5x or so and hold for wind without needing the demand a multiplication factor is kinda efficient.

I have a FFP 2.5-10 on one of my rifles and its cool, but becomes utterly useless at below 5x as the reticle becomes next to invisible. I wish more people would do the thick outer stadia that you zoom past as SWFA did on the 1-6 unit.

If you want a FFP then IOR or Vortex are the affordable game right now in the 2.5-10 range.

if you can actually use your FFP MRAD hashmarks for holdoff at 5x then your scopes are different than mine.

agree on the SS 1-6 FFP concept. but I also like the FFP with SFP illuminated dot concept that USO and others are using...

[TAZ]

if you can actually use your FFP MRAD hashmarks for holdoff at 5x then your scopes are different than mine.

agree on the SS 1-6 FFP concept. but I also like the FFP with SFP illuminated dot concept that USO and others are using...

Just checked again. At 5x I can still see and use the mil marks and the half mil marks. At 4x I can still see the mil marks, but I wouldnt say they are useful unless I had lots of time to stare. Once the illumination comes on they all wash out at the higher end of the dial. In low light and with minimal illumination I could probably use the marks still. No field experience with the low light stuff though so I cant say for certain.

Havent quite made my mind up about the whole dual plane stuff. Not sure how much complication it adds to the mechanics. The SWFA zoom through solution seems like a simple way to attack the problem.