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    Quote Originally Posted by David Pennington View Post
    Larry meant that it was one of the best current out-of-the-box, non-custon 1911s. If you are going to buy and use a COTS 1911, the M45A1 is the choice.

    I was very familar with this development and you have to remember a few things a) because of some DOD restraints they were not allowed to develop a "new" pistol so they had to work with the 1911 base and b) the leaked test results were from developmental testing. You want things to break in development so they don't break in issue use.

    Pretty much everyone knows that a 1911 was not the ideal choice but it was the only choice because some other services "modular pistol" programs basically shut down a "new" pistol program for the Marines.

    The choices were a) keep rebuilding 1911A1 frames dating back as far at the 1920s, b) issue M9s, or c) refine the 1911 platform into a more modern rendering.

    I've had one for several months and it impressed me as an out-of-the-box factory pistol. It's not a Springfield Professional but it is really well done considering it is a standard production"assembled" (not fitted) gun with interchangable parts. It would not be my first choice as a duty gun but it would be my first choice as an out-of-the-box 1911.

    Perspective is everything.
    I can say you are bit off base on your analysis, this whole program was about someone getting something acceptable that could not be done in the previous 13 years and multiple tests. They did that by basically ignore of waiving many of the requirements

    The alternative had already been done, M9A1s and Glocks with the requisite SL-3 had already been issued to these units. But instead we decided to spend millions in a time when we were cutting defense budgets.

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    Anyone Checked Out The Colt Marine 1911...?

    Quote Originally Posted by Amp Mangum View Post
    Rana, not to hi-jack the thread, but why did NSW go with the .45acp round instead of sticking with the 9mil?
    The 9mm is still in service. SIG Sauer P226 and P239 pistols are issued 9's.

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    This may represent something of a last-gasp for the old warhorse in service trim, and I suspect the HK45C is a better choice in the grand scheme of things, but I'll admit that this old/new Colt has immense appeal to me. Then again, I've also had a longtime -- if as-yet unrequited -- affinity for the Colt Rail Gun.

    The sun may be setting, gently, on Browning's masterpiece, but for a COTS 1911, I find a lot of goodness in this gun.

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    I have talked and have friends on that were on the selection committee (you know the ones who signed off on the phase III waiver), at PO-SOD and Recon advocate at PP&O

    There is some irony that one of the units that got the M45A1s recently had to request a platoons worth of Glocks from another unit to meet mission requirements.
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    Quote Originally Posted by R0N View Post
    There is some irony that one of the units that got the M45A1s recently had to request a platoons worth of Glocks from another unit to meet mission requirements.
    Not taking anything away from the observation, but knowing DoD, that could be chalked up to something as simple as the logistics train not fielding the magazines in quantity at the right time, no?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Army Chief View Post
    Not taking anything away from the observation, but knowing DoD, that could be chalked up to something as simple as the logistics train not fielding the magazines in quantity at the right time, no?

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    Nope, the one reason a 1911 was specified (other than just keeping with tradition) is we have around 50K magazines in stock for them.

    Another irony that was revealed after the selection board made their selection was about 1/3 of those magazines were older Wilson 47Ds which were deemed to prove unreliable with the weapon so would have to be replaced anyway.

    I know what it won't change anyones' mind on the program, but no one in uniform who had explained what happen in this selection even many of the 1911 fan, former recon guys, thought the selection was really above board.
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    Anyone Checked Out The Colt Marine 1911...?

    The deeper one digs into such things, the more it becomes apparent that any real success stories involving the Ordnance Department and the fielding of small arms in the American military owe themselves to pure, blind luck.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Army Chief View Post
    The deeper one digs into such things, the more it becomes apparent that any real success stories involving the Ordnance Department and the fielding of small arms in the American military owe themselves to pure, blind luck.

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    I think that have hit upon the truth.

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    Agree with army chief. Remember these are very limited issue to a select few. The beretta will continue to be the standard issue pistol across the services for a long time. I carried one on nearly threes years worth of deployments and have complete confidence in them. No worse or better than any other 9. I am not particularly fussy- give me a pistol that works with good quality mags and sufficient ammo and I don't care what brand it is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by David Pennington View Post
    I have literally spoken with key stakeholders from IWS and the primary user community as far back as 3 years ago and as recently as yesterday.

    M9A1s would have been the easiest move. Glock 19s would have been the preferred move but they didn't want the M9s and they couldn't get enough Glocks.
    The M45A1 was a "quick fix" with an already approved platform that the user community accepted because they though they'd have it 3 years ago but they have them now.
    I'll expand when I'm on a real computer but those have been the facts all along.
    And now 3 years later, they probably have their G19s and will probably continue to roll with them. Funny world.
    "Whatever it's for; it wasn't possible until now!!!" - KrampusArms

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