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    Quote Originally Posted by Failure2Stop View Post
    I think that it depends a lot on what/how you buy.
    I think the biggest evolution points are that optics that work well with AR's are now at a reasonable price, and are so good that the force multiplication is hard to ignore - an Aimpoint PRO or pricier is so much better for night shooting over using irons that it's a no-brainer; and lower zoom optics for target identification are the same way easy to think of as integral.

    Weaponlights are the next one - I'm certainly not that old, but I remember when the 50lumen Surefire 6P's started to become a little bit common - now $100 buys you a solid weaponlight with good switching... twice that puts you into top end weaponlight kits. Again, the expanded capability is really hard to ignore.


    It's the same reasoning of what incremental improvements have been made from the XM-177 days - flat top upper opened up optics, modular handguards introduced lights, lasers, and some control accessories... it may not be a need, but nice-to-have items that add versatility can quickly become thought of as must-have if the cost/benefit curve is really beneficial.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tpevan View Post
    It's all just a NEED vs NICE TO HAVE discussion

    I'll bet that most members of this community (other than MIL and LE) don't really NEED any of these NICE TO HAVE items as their rifles hardly ever see the light side of the safe door.


    Are you speaking from your rifles experience? My Colt easily pumps out 1000+ rounds a month...and I'm sure many others here do too!
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    Watch it now. Talk like that is liable to start a riot

    Quote Originally Posted by tpevan View Post
    It's all just a NEED vs NICE TO HAVE discussion

    I'll bet that most members of this community (other than MIL and LE) don't really NEED any of these NICE TO HAVE items as their rifles hardly ever see the light side of the safe door.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ennbeegunny15 View Post
    I have had rails and I prefer the moe handguard. I can shoot with my arm extended w/o any issues. I run a light on it and its all I need. Oh btw, a sling a red dot a good buis and a mil spec trigger works for me.
    I agree. With a MOE handguard, you can still mount mission essentials on your carbine
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    Members of the staff, who see more of the site's traffic than the general membership, would vigorously argue that tpevan's assertion would be difficult to make stick.

    To put it to words, most of our membership thinks of 2k rounds/yr/gun as "cute," or might be as generous as to describe that as "a nice start." And, I'm talking about those rounds being used an a manner that isn't simply ballistic masturbation.

    The "own nothing but cosmetic/colletion-purpose guns" crowd find their own way out, or get bum-rushed out the door once they get mad that not everybody is a symbolism>substance, shallow, Tokyo-drifting 'mo. An M4C collector is practically guaranteed to also be a user who just so happens to have a "collection" collection.

    There's an equilibrium that seems to be reached, where an individual (regardless of their affiliation or lack thereof) has gone through their "developmental" phase, tried a bunch of stuff, wrung it out (i.e., USED it...), kept what worked, discarded what did not, and ends up with their sustainment costs being AMMO instead of STUFF. It's not a universal, but it's very common.

    A corollary, however, IS that most of the folks that buy components and swap them out at a frenetic pace tend to not shoot a lot, and seem to have a love affair with mistaking motion for progress. Doing that burns money, whether the stuff being bought is of quality manufacture or not. Framed in those terms, it fits what he's getting at much better, presuming he's using "community" to refer to the forum membership.

    If he's referring to AR owners in Amercia, as a whole....he'd be right, and anybody that disagrees with is exactly that kind of AR owner, or new to the game, or is really not paying attention.
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    Re: Evolving Cost Of Owning An AR

    Quote Originally Posted by MistWolf View Post
    I agree. With a MOE handguard, you can still mount mission essentials on your carbine
    I've always wondered with that light mount, doesn't your fsb get pretty hot? Doesn't that make hitting the light a burn hazard?
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    Quote Originally Posted by evilblackrifle View Post
    MOE handguard
    There are plenty of ways to mount a light (or laser or even VFG) on a rifle with the issue handguard. The MOE just gives a cleaner and more integrated approach, and some people prefer the feel.

    Lot's of great options here.

    This is the way I rolled for a long time

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    Quote Originally Posted by Koshinn View Post
    I've always wondered with that light mount, doesn't your fsb get pretty hot? Doesn't that make hitting the light a burn hazard?
    Yes, the FSB does get hot. One afternoon, I deliberately shot several hundred rounds to see how hot the carbine would get. Not mag dumps though- actual shooting. It wasn't formal training with drills and timers but I did want to see how the carbine handled and made impromptu "drills" using what we found at the shooting area


    The FSB got so hot, any water hitting would flash into steam


    But as you can see, the light (and the mount) remained cool. The light didn't warm up at all. If I'd touched the FSB while hitting the light switch, yes it would have been quite uncomfortable. But ask yourself- Do you turn the light on after you shoot the badguy? Or before? Like everything else, it's not a perfect solution and the shooter has to be aware of the mount's shortcomings. But the simplicity of the setup, 12 o'clock location and ease of use from either side of the weapon make the Mossie Midnight Mount the best available choice for me. I know what I'd like better, but no one makes that and I'm not sure the configuration would be durable enough for hard use.

    Another interesting observation was the temperature of the BCG. The carrier was barely warm enough to detect by touch. The gas key was warm enough to be uncomfortable but cooled quickly. Bolt was warmer than the carrier. This was while the FSB was hot enough to turn water into steam
    Last edited by MistWolf; 06-14-13 at 09:50.
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    Re: Evolving Cost Of Owning An AR

    Quote Originally Posted by MistWolf View Post
    But ask yourself- Do you turn the light on after you shoot the badguy? Or before?
    Assuming a single bad guy... Both.

    That's also assuming you know there's only a single bad guy.
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    I'm going to say a scope/rds+magnifier might be a NEED.

    Depending on age, vision, etc. one might find it hard to use the irons at a distance, or see beyond X-amount of feet/yards.

    For me personally, a 1-4x scope was a need, as well was a new stock & grip.

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