Exactly. Aside from PMAG 20LR, which are harder to find than 17 mags, the prices are generally reasonable.Originally Posted by Tzintzuntzan
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Exactly. Aside from PMAG 20LR, which are harder to find than 17 mags, the prices are generally reasonable.
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The M3 Pmag LRs will be out shortly. Very much looking forward to wringing them out. Especially interested in the 25 rounders, true game-changer in the 7.62 world.
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That's good news. Numerous individuals are waiting on those. How soon is shortly? Days, weeks...
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Magpul does not provide estimated delivery of new product due to the saber-rattling of internet aficionados when estimates are not met. It's a good policy.
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I have narrowed it down due to this thread to LMT vs. SCAR. (Hey, if I can find a good price on a KAC SR25 I might jump to that) As such, we have the old Piston vs. DI issue. No, I won't start a 100 page debate. My question is whether anyone has found the scar to run more reliably than the LMT or vice versa? Obviously, it appears the LMT has an accuracy edge. Yes, I understand intended use . . . however, regardless of my intended use I like to picture the worst possible scenario the weapon might have to operate under. Does either have an edge or would you call it a draw. No, I not some crazy zombie prepper.
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I got 5 pmag 20LRs directly from magpul last month within a week of ordering at retail price, if that helps any?
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I think it's great Magpul is coming out with 25 round mags, but in rifles that are already pigs, how many people are going to want to add more weight, especially with the intended use of these rifles? My guess would be the new Gen3 20 round mags still sell better than the 25 round mags, but a large margin.
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Another option could be the m110-K2 if you are not in a hurry. I don't no what the civilian version will be called but its like 7.7 lbs and they are lightening it even more. I heard it was going to have a cheaper price point than the ECC from one of the KAC threads. Hopefully F2S could chime in...
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Operating system alone has taken over lots of conversations by people that don't understand the intricacies of specific platforms. There are all kinds of piston-operated systems that are unreliable, finiky, and less than robust. The how is far less important than the what. Look at actual test data, performance, and legitimacy of testing protocol. There is an assumption that piston guns are more forgiving in ammunition selection, and that is an incorrect assumption. Look at the FAL, one of the best legacy 7.62 guns; it has a gas regulator with a specific and detailed process to tune the regulator to provide reliable function. Of course, there are examples that do not require regulator adjustment, so, again, one cannot make conclusive statements about performance based on operating system alone.
When it comes to 7.62 guns, there are really three types:
Precision
Heavy Carbine
Hybrid
Precision-oriented guns tend to be heavier, as they are intended to provide bolt-gun level performance.
Heavy Carbines pretty much replicate standard 5.56 precision, but provide 7.62 terminal and barrier performance. Precision is secondary to weight and reliable function.
Hybrid guns lie between the two, biased in either direction toward user needs. These represent the most expensive option, as overcoming contradictory aspects incurs cost.
Comparing a precision gun to a heavy carbine is like comparing a Corvette to a Silverado. Identify what you want/need, figure out what options exist in the category, and make a best-fit based on your preference and budget.
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I appreciate your expert advice. It is always a difficult decision, as there is no such thing as one do it all gun. I know the SCAR has a great service record, however, it does not quite have the accuracy I want. On the other hand, the LMT has great accuracy, however, I cannot find much on its service record. This is the classic intersecting circle diagram. Your SR 25 has both and I hope to be able to swing it. If not, however, my question is whether the LMT has proven reliable and unfinicky. I appreciate your patience, as I am still learning, however, I am an attentive student. ( I recently picked up an SR 15 LPR that I love) This is a great forum with a wealth of knowledge. I have learned tons on this forum.
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