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Thread: Daniel Defense trigger question

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    Quote Originally Posted by gcp View Post
    No excuse for such crappy triggers, especially when a company charges top $ for their rifle.
    Very confusing... DD does *not* "charge top $" for their rifle. Almost everywhere that I have seen them, the price was comparable to what was being asked for rifles from much lesser manufacturers, despite the fact that it is vastly superior. I purchased my XV for $999...

    Compare that price to a Noveske, KAC, LMT (MRP), JP, or Wilson rifle, and you'll see that you're getting a lot of bang for your buck from DD.

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    I believe the reason DD puts the USGI trigger in their rifles is because trigger performance is totally subjective. If Daniel put an SSA in the lower and charged for it then someone may not buy the rifle because they want an S3G or an SD. Hard to fault DD quality.

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    i shot my DDM4 today for the first time, the trigger was very consistent, (i cleaned and lubed before i took it out), not gritty at all. also, DD rifles can be bought straight from DD with SSA triggers.. its an extra $200 option though. DD makes a great gun, damn good guns, but as with other folks, no one is "perfect".

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    Guys, I've stated my beliefs clearly, in my mind there's no excuse for a creepy trigger. It can be somewhat harder than 5lbs but not creepy. Creepy means lack of attention to detail and appropriate smithy time allotted during manufacturing, and AR manufactures get away with it because users accept their substandard products as the norm. I shoot multiple platforms in both pistols and rifles so I know what good triggers should feel like and this isn't it. The rest of the DD rifle functioned well but the $700 S&W AR outshot it, in my hands, so that in itself speaks volumes.

    Please understand, I did not intend for my post to cause hard feelings. I simply requested opinions to understand if this was the DD norm or an aberration so I can pass on the info to the rifle's owner. If you are happy with your DD AR fantastic, continue to enjoy shooting is because ultimately that's what it's all about.

    Thank you for your inputs, peace!
    Last edited by gcp; 06-16-13 at 21:22.

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    A quality mil-spec trigger will smooth up after use. If you are doctoring up milspec triggers to make them smooth you are removing that reliability. Stone them too much and you're through the outer heat treating resulting in eventual doubling and trigger trouble. Using light springs results in problematic ignition which can be catastrophic in a self defense situation.

    A bench shooting guy that only knocks out a couple hundred rounds in a year isn't going to see an issue with a doctored milspec trigger, but a guy like me that knocks out a couple hundred rounds a day is going to see problems eventually. My DD trigger has seen over 6000 rounds without a single issue and it's smoothed up nicely in the last year or so.

    This website is primarily about fighting carbines, not long range bench guns. I have absolutely no issues hitting man sized targets out to my carbine's effective range using even the worst milspec trigger I have come across.

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    i did not mean any negative input, i was stating my my trigger feels good, and yes, other's might not

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    Quote Originally Posted by gcp View Post
    Guys, I've stated my beliefs clearly, in my mind there's no excuse for a creepy trigger. It can be somewhat harder than 5lbs but not creepy.
    "Somewhat harder"? Seriously? Keep trolling, dude.

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    Justin, learn to be civil even to those that may disagree with you as from disagreement we can all learn. Calling me a troll does not substantiate your position nor does it negate mine. Do you work for DD? if so listen closely to what a users like me may think of your product, positive or negative, and adapt. If you are only a user of DD, well, I did not call your baby ugly only that there's room for improvement.

    I just measured the DD trigger, it breaks at 9lbs and has 4 distinct stages that's how bad the creep is. I'll lube the trigger for a bit of improvement and let the owner decide if an aftermarket is in his future. I appreciate all your inputs folks!
    Last edited by gcp; 06-17-13 at 07:01.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gcp View Post
    Justin, calling me a troll does not substantiate your position nor does it negate mine. Do you work for DD? if so listen closely to what a users like me may think of your product, positive or negative, and adapt. If you are only a user of DD, well, I did not call your baby ugly only that there's room for improvement.

    Learn to be civil even to those that may disagree with you as from disagreement we can all learn.

    Complaining about a stock trigger having normal characteristics of a stock trigger is just asinine.

    A Daniel Defense stock trigger is just the same as any other stock trigger. You handle/shoot enough ARs with a stock trigger, you'll get some that suck big-time, you'll get a bunch of mediocre ones, and occasionally, you'll find that gem that's just awesome.

    There is no 'smithy-time' to a stock AR trigger. They're assembled into the lower, function checked, and sent on...

    I can't believe this thread has gone on for two pages.

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    I can't believe you would judge a product based on 1 guns trigger, and not purchase based on said trigger. And I don't know about calling a guy who puts a lower together on a assembly line a "smitty".

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