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    I was not aware of the ALG triggers thank you for the tip. After reading on them they seem like a reasonable to stock alternative, but has anyone measured the expected trigger break of both their versions?

    I do hope my ARs will never be used for defense purposes so I set my triggers where I can fully enjoy their accuracy capabilities. I also have a wonderful aftermarket trigger on my long AR, can't remember which now because I installed it 20 years ago. BTW, my carry weapons triggers are all crisp, in the 5lb range.

    Creepy triggers truly gives me the creeps, I can't stand them and I've heard so many good things about DD so this came as a total surprise to me, especially when comparing this expensive weapon to a low end S&W AR which cost half the price and yet had a crisp 5lb trigger causing it to outshoot the DD in accuracy.

    Do high end manufacturers with somewhat of a reputation not understand that once they loose their reputation they will loose our business? I long for the days when a new weapon was a prime example of workmanship and smithy professionalism. Enough of my rant, my apologies for externalizing my feelings!
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    Daniels triggers run from decent to horrible. it's the luck of the draw.
    The ALG is a good option, but if there is a scope on it, I would probably pony up for a Gressle SSA.

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    gcp- someone did test the average break on both triggers, lubed and not lubed, If I remember it went from about 4.25 to 5.5 lbs between the two with the lower end # being the dry lubed version with grease. I have 2 and highly recommend them. That said they feel about the same as my lmt stock trigger that has 2-3000 rds on it now which felt like gritty junk when I first got it. Both of my stock DD triggers seem normal, guess I lucked out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gcp View Post
    Creepy triggers truly gives me the creeps, I can't stand them and I've heard so many good things about DD so this came as a total surprise to me, especially when comparing this expensive weapon to a low end S&W AR which cost half the price and yet had a crisp 5lb trigger causing it to outshoot the DD in accuracy.

    a) Older DD rifles have somewhat bad triggers. I'm not particularly pleased with my XV.

    b) The idea that the accuracy of one rifle is better than another due to the trigger pull is a fallacy.

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    The factory assembled DDM4 I have from when they were still using non-CHF barrels has a great 6# trigger. It's incredibly smooth and breaks very cleanly. I don't know if that came from a Daniel Defense manufactured LPK, but I'm still using it.

    The FCG that came in a separate DD LPK I purchased is pretty bad... Easily the worst factory trigger I had. Extremely gritty and inconsistent from pull to pull. It's now a spare part, and a Geissele SD-E took its place.

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    I've felt a couple horrible DD USGI triggers. I've felt a good one. Luck of the draw. If you want the closet thing to a garuntee for a good USGI trigger spend the $45 for an ALG QMS.

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    Quote Originally Posted by justin_247 View Post
    a) Older DD rifles have somewhat bad triggers. I'm not particularly pleased with my XV.

    b) The idea that the accuracy of one rifle is better than another due to the trigger pull is a fallacy.
    a) Newer ones do too. And their parts kits.
    b) If scientifically measured in a lab with the right equipment, you are correct, but in any normal real world application, including basic range work, crappy, creepy and/or heavy triggers absolutely have an effect on group size. Granted, its the shooter's handling of said trigger and not the inherent accuracy potential of the rifle, but for practical purposes a better trigger will generally lead to better accuracy, all else being equal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bulletdog View Post
    a) Newer ones do too. And their parts kits.
    I respectfully disagree. I have held in my hands a few DD rifles since I purchased my own, and I think the triggers in the newer ones are much better. Apply a little lube and see how it works.

    And, honestly, it's not a big deal. It simply isn't. If you can afford a DD, you can afford a $45 ALG trigger if you hate the DD FCG that much.

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    Maybe you missed it but in my OP I said this rifle is not mine but a coworker's. I simply installed his scope for him and zeroed it. I hated shooting it, and yes a smooth, light trigger makes all the practical difference in accuracy as humans are not machines and can not hold perfectly steady on a bench rest while waiting on a bad trigger to break. I have aftermarket triggers in both of my ARs so it's up to him to decide what to do with his DD. I can honestly say though that after this experience I will not entertain purchasing a DD. No excuse for such crappy triggers, especially when a company charges top $ for their rifle.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gcp View Post
    ... I can honestly say though that after this experience I will not entertain purchasing a DD. No excuse for such crappy triggers, especially when a company charges top $ for their rifle.
    I'd rethink that. The DD is such a fine rifle it's insane to write it off for a common milspec trigger. You're just as likely to get a rough trigger with Colt, BCM, LMT, etc. Luck of the draw as was said before.

    I've bought LPKs from DD, Stag, ArmaLite and PSA. One of the DDs was great, the other wasn't. One Stag was very good, one ok, one awful. The ArmaLite was ok and the PSA is great. No way of knowing what you'll get in an LPK or rifle but it's not hard to fix.
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