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"If you love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, go home from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains set lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen"
-Samuel Adams, 1776
Name calling or making fun because I disagree with your perspective does not validate your perspective, it simply detracts from your arguments plus it makes you appear childish.
To name a few examples, the Swiss K31s were not custom rifles, the Swede mausers were not custom, nor were their AG42b. They were battle rifles and yet all the ones I've owned and handled had crisp, non creepy triggers in the 5-6lb range, and accurate as all get out. Why? Because obviously pride in workmanship meant something to their fabricators and to the users. And it still does to me but like I said, if I have to explain such things.....
We can agree to disagree but there's no reason for ungentlemanly behavior, OK?
Last edited by gcp; 06-21-13 at 17:53.
The key word in this is "all the ones I've owned and handled" - by default, you're being very selective. There are numerous threads all over the internet by people who have trigger issues with the K31s and various kinds of Mausers. Not only that, most of the variants of these rifles that are available today are broken-in or well-used and many have been modified by their owners / previous owners.
Oh, and again, 5-6 lbs is on the low end. The specification per MIL-C-71186 states that trigger pull "shall be within the range of 5.5 to 8.5 pounds."
Daniel Defense's attention to detail is not lacking. They sell a milspec rifle and don't advertise it as anything else. Trigger pull weighs between 5.5 and 8.5 lbs, check. Trigger passes function check, check. Next please.
The are not SPR or DMR rifles. They are designed to hit man sized targets and that's it. They do happen to be accurate enough for those roles and if you want to use it for that, go buy yourself a Geissele trigger and be done with it.
I happen to own some truly shitty triggers and they are in a German milspec Mauser and a 1917 Enfield..not to mention an HK91 I owned. They make the worst GI trigger I own feel like a target trigger.
It's frustrating that these threads seem to invariably descend into a dick/ego-measuring contest. Playground rules. As a Tapatalk lurker, for all the smack-talking about TOS, M4C seems to me like merely a different side to the same coin.
Aside from all the pedantic bickering between parties, the relevant info can be summed as follows, IMHO:
- DDs are great rifles. They are built in excess of "mil-spec" and will likely last a civilian shooter several lifetimes, with the exception of normal wear.
- The rail systems are fantastic and world-class. Gold-standard benchmark for quad-rails.
- DD uses COTS parts from third-party suppliers for some elements of their LPKs, as do many other big-name builders. As such, the QC on the triggers is not always stellar, as they are not produced in-house. The opportunity for rifle-to-rifle tuning is not practical in their assembly-line environment, especially under today's pressure - nor is it for many of their major competitors who can deliver similar volume.
However, given that - especially these days - there are so many options on the market for aftermarket AR triggers (and that triggers are one of the easiest mods to install) I don't really feel that a bad USGI trigger or three really detracts from the overall value of their rifles.
Last edited by pentosinjunkie; 06-22-13 at 00:28.
All roads lead to $1500. - Me, with regards to AR system builds, whether homebrew or off-the-shelf.
Justin, steyer, and AKDoug, now we are getting somewhere! Your above observations are constructive and salient. True enough, it's unfair to compare "broken in" triggers to a brand new one. But again, this particular trigger of a rifle which cost my friend $1,699, consistently breaks at over 9lbs, and that my friends is indeed outside the 8.5lb specification. I know, some will think what's 1/2lb but if it's outside the MILSPEC it's outside the spec, period. The government inspector would fail it and so do I....well, it's not even mine to fail.
As I've stated before, this is the first DD I've handled so yes, maybe I was overly disappointed because I've heard nothing but good things about this company. From other posts here it appears that they honestly do have an inconsistent trigger issue they may want to address to further improve on an otherwise well made product. pentosinjunkie, very good last statement, you are exactly right, in that most of the AR manufacturers piece part their rifles together so, that in itself further validates the need for stricter QC....but isn't COTS Computer Off The Shelf....in my world at least it is...I know Commercial, just a bit of humor to brighten our day....
I've been on business travel but just for kicks yesterday evening I stopped by the local gun store to specifically test AR triggers. Non were as bad as my friend's and as I've stated earlier I continue to be impressed with the S&W sporter which for a "cheaper" AR seems to have consistent non creep trigger and deadly accuracy due to its 5R barrel. To their credit, S&W engineering and quality control appear to be properly doing their job and no, I don't own a S&W AR nor do I have a vested interest in the company. I am simply providing my observations to a forum with like mined interests. Mine are comments which I believe can drive the fabricators to produce a better product. Remember, if we become more discriminating users the manufacturers will accommodate or go out of business.
Have a nice day all!
Last edited by gcp; 06-22-13 at 08:25.
I had the same experience! I just shot my new DDM4 V5 for the first time last weekend. Beautiful weapon; however, the trigger had a distinct 3 part catch to it. Gently pulling it would catch a littleness, then a second time, then would fire after that. I took it apart and gave it CLP oil and worked on dry firing it. It definitely helped. The other thing I noticed was a tacky substance on the hammer which I cleaned off. I'm used to very crisp 3 lb triggers on my hunting rifles that break like an ice circle. This is my only complaint on the rifle
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