Aimpoint magnifier with Larue flip mount or twist mount?

[JohnnyC]

I like the twist mount because my PVS-14 uses the same base.

That being said, if I used it in a social environment, I would want the flip because of speed and ease of use. It's not such a problem hunting coyotes. If they're far enough away to need the 3x, you've got the time to slap it on.

[Airhasz]

Larue mounts are all I use. Precise and secure mounts. Email Larue with your question, they are very helpful.

[midSCarolina]

I thought that the twist mount was kinda a pain in the ass and defeated the purpose of why I bought a magnifier in the first place (a QUICK transition between shooting up close and distance). Having to retrieve the magnifier from wherever it was stowed simply and reattach it takes too long in my opinion. Not to mention the fact that LaRue mounts are QD while the twist mounts screw on, and the less i have screwed on my rifle, the more confident I am that everything will stay in place no matter the circumstance. +1 for LaRue

[Airhasz]

and you get a dillo...

[midSCarolina]

and you get a dillo...

Haha yea... every time i order from larue i end up with 3 pocket constitutions, an international sniper DVD from 2010, an armadillo shaped "beverage entry tool", 2 stickers, and a thing of dillo dust.

[ra2bach]

after trying both, I don't find a real need to switch back and forth instantly, and the weight on the gun when magnification is not needed is a pain so I've moved away from pivoting mounts.

maybe three gunners would find this handy but not in my experience. a RDS by itself is adequate to 100 yards and, for some, beyond. at longer range where I might actually need more accuracy or target identification, with the magnifier in a pouch and mounting with the twist mount is fine. plus it makes a handy monocular for checking things out without having to point my gun at everything...

[Alaskapopo]

after trying both, I don't find a real need to switch back and forth instantly, and the weight on the gun when magnification is not needed is a pain so I've moved away from pivoting mounts.

maybe three gunners would find this handy but not in my experience. a RDS by itself is adequate to 100 yards and, for some, beyond. at longer range where I might actually need more accuracy or target identification, with the magnifier in a pouch and mounting with the twist mount is fine. plus it makes a handy monocular for checking things out without having to point my gun at everything...

Its handy in a lot of real world situations. Your on perimeter and you need some magnification so you leave in on 3x. You have to make entry because something has gone wrong and you quickly flip it out of the way to 1x. The suspect runs out the back and your out in the open and need magnification again flip it back to 3x. I will say the red dot and magnifier system is my least favorate compared to a good variable power scope with a off set RDS or an ACOG with an off set RDS. But that said the red dot with a magnifier is a viable system but in my opinion its a waste without the ability to quickly flip back and forth between 1 and 3 x.
Pat

[ra2bach]

Its handy in a lot of real world situations. Your on perimeter and you need some magnification so you leave in on 3x. You have to make entry because something has gone wrong and you quickly flip it out of the way to 1x. The suspect runs out the back and your out in the open and need magnification again flip it back to 3x. I will say the red dot and magnifier system is my least favorate compared to a good variable power scope with a off set RDS or an ACOG with an off set RDS. But that said the red dot with a magnifier is a viable system but in my opinion its a waste without the ability to quickly flip back and forth between 1 and 3 x.
Pat

I agree with one thing - a RDS/magnifier is my least favorite option due to eye relief, FOV, and other issues compared to a good variable scope. my biggest gripe with a variable scope is the weight. a RDS/mag combo about equals the weight of a scope but without the other benefits. however, it does increase utility to a plain RDS for extended ranges, which most people claim satisfactory to 100 yds. and beyond. and it does allow you to remove that weight from the rifle easily when it is not needed...

what I disagree with is the need to instantly switch back and forth. in your example, if you're on perimeter and need to make entry is there no time to twist off and stow the mag in a pocket or dump pouch while you are moving there or staging? and if he goes out the back do you not already have adequate target ID and clearance to take a shot?

the mag combo came into use and acceptance especially with 3-gunners who had stages where they were required to move from close range targets to long range under time constraints. this was back before there was viable scope options and is not much in use now at that level.

I'm not saying it isn't a viable option but I think if there is a need to direct or return accurate fire at distance, then there is time to seek cover and mount the magnifier - I can do it in literally less than 5 seconds with the twist mount. and at only 3x, I can use it for close snapshots as many people have trained themselves to do with ACOGS, although not with the same flexibility of head placement. however, it can be removed and stowed almost as quickly as pivoting it out of the way so I think the advantage is solely limited to adding magnification and my point is I think this "advantage" is misrepresented...

[Alaskapopo]

I agree with one thing - a RDS/magnifier is my least favorite option due to eye relief, FOV, and other issues compared to a good variable scope. my biggest gripe with a variable scope is the weight. a RDS/mag combo about equals the weight of a scope but without the other benefits. however, it does increase utility to a plain RDS for extended ranges, which most people claim satisfactory to 100 yds. and beyond. and it does allow you to remove that weight from the rifle easily when it is not needed...

what I disagree with is the need to instantly switch back and forth. in your example, if you're on perimeter and need to make entry is there no time to twist off and stow the mag in a pocket or dump pouch while you are moving there or staging? and if he goes out the back do you not already have adequate target ID and clearance to take a shot?

the mag combo came into use and acceptance especially with 3-gunners who had stages where they were required to move from close range targets to long range under time constraints. this was back before there was viable scope options and is not much in use now at that level.

I'm not saying it isn't a viable option but I think if there is a need to direct or return accurate fire at distance, then there is time to seek cover and mount the magnifier - I can do it in literally less than 5 seconds with the twist mount. and at only 3x, I can use it for close snapshots as many people have trained themselves to do with ACOGS, although not with the same flexibility of head placement. however, it can be removed and stowed almost as quickly as pivoting it out of the way so I think the advantage is solely limited to adding magnification and my point is I think this "advantage" is misrepresented...

If your making entry there may not be time to remove the magnifier and stow it. Especially if someone needs help like right now. The less you have to do in a stressful situation like fumbling with your gear the better. What is more likely to happen if you have a twist mount is you will be able to remove it and you will just let it drop possibly losing it and you will not have it later on if the situation dynamic changes again. Also 5 seconds is an eternity in a dynamic situation. Gun fights are over in less sometimes.
Pat

[ra2bach]

If your making entry there may not be time to remove the magnifier and stow it. Especially if someone needs help like right now. The less you have to do in a stressful situation like fumbling with your gear the better. What is more likely to happen if you have a twist mount is you will be able to remove it and you will just let it drop possibly losing it and you will not have it later on if the situation dynamic changes again. Also 5 seconds is an eternity in a dynamic situation. Gun fights are over in less sometimes.
Pat

Pat, I don't do police work so bear with me here, OK? but I'm having trouble envisioning a perimeter that requires magnification but can involve entry within 5 seconds. are you saying you would run from your post and take up the last position in the stack? or would entry already have been made and you're joining after the fact for support and stabilization?