Russian .308 bullets?

[Ron3]

Tula, Barnaul, etc. They come in 145 gr, 150 gr, and 168 gr commonly.

What do these FMJ's and JSP's do in gelatin or barriers?

How about at 25 M's? 200 M's?

I could not find any testing.

The only test I did was with 140 gr JSP Silverbear. It was just firing it into a box of mud at about 20 M. To my surprise the bullet did NOT exit the 6 inch thick box of mud! Three shots same result. There was not even big splash of mud from the open top. When I dug into the box all I found were tiny pieces of lead and jacket of the three bullets. The bullets didn't expand, and they didn't penetrate. They simply came apart.

[PA PATRIOT]

There is no testing data because it would be a waste of money since no one takes these brands seriously for any other purpose but lower cost plinking.

[Ron3]

There is no testing data because it would be a waste of money since no one takes these brands seriously for any other purpose but lower cost plinking.

I'd like to see proof beyond my very simple test that the Russian FMJ and JSP bullets are not good for anything.

For example, is a Russian JSP or FMJ better for terminal effect and / or barrier penetration than lake city FMJ?

[PA PATRIOT]

As stated before no one does expensive controlled testing on low cost import steel cased ammunition.

Russian import ammunition "is what it is" and most folks except that, but there is one or two import loadings that I have seen offer acceptable results which was the 124gr 8M3 bullet which is currently loaded in some lots of Tulammo 7.62x39mm 124gr H/P's (Per DocGKR's posted information which is no longer available on this forum) and Wolf .223 55gr 100% copper H/P's that I have seen pictures and read after action reports from friends who put down a lot of wild hogs with it down south.

[Ron3]

Wolf .223 55gr 100% copper H/P's that I have seen pictures and read after action reports from friends who put down a lot of wild hogs with it down south.

I didn't know that about this ammo.

[PA PATRIOT]

I didn't know that about this ammo.

This is the 100% copper jacketed Wolf and not the bi-metal stuff and while it may work on wild hogs (Under 200lbs) down south who knows how it would perform on any other light skinned game animal.

[Zhukov]

Existing domestic made .308 ammo doesn't fragment (with the exception of some Winchester ammo at extremely short ranges). Russian bullet with their thick steel jackets won't fragment either. No, I have not tested it first hand, but I feel comfortable in saying that there's virtually no chance it would fragment either.

[Smash05]

Don't the A-Max bullets in 308 fragment?

[Alaskapopo]

Existing domestic made .308 ammo doesn't fragment (with the exception of some Winchester ammo at extremely short ranges). Russian bullet with their thick steel jackets won't fragment either. No, I have not tested it first hand, but I feel comfortable in saying that there's virtually no chance it would fragment either.

Really?
take a look at the .308 on the bottom. Yes some bullets do fragment. Usually those designed to do so.
Pat

[pinzgauer]

The AMAX is a very lightly constructed bullet optimized for accuracy. It expands madly and immediately. Some people use it for very light skinned game, but you cannot count on penetration and Hornady recommends against its use for hunting.

Not sure why it'd be considered for wound cavity testing, there are better choices. Excellent match bullet, but unless you want the equivalent of the Glaser safety slug for rifles its not much use for comparison.

---sent from my PRC-104 using phonetics