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    Quote Originally Posted by Fuzzy-Reticle View Post
    I owned a SIGM400. It was a fine rifle. I would not put it in the same class as a BCM, COLT, DD or Noveske. It was accurate enough and ran fine for me for the few thousand or so rounds I ran through mine. IMHO it is better than most of the commercial type AR rifles available in terms of quality and overall fit and finish and function. I felt it was definitely a step or three above a RRA or Bushmaster.

    The SIGM400 would serve most users just fine for recreational type shooting and probably the occasional carbine course and in the home defense role.

    Current AR pricing is now so crazy that once less expensive commercial quality rifles are priced nearly the same as the mil spec + crowd. As a consumer why would anyone pay the same price or nearly the same price for a lesser product? Sure when PSA rifles where $650 why not get a couple. I did. Same with the M400. I bought mine on impulse for about $800 back about a year or so ago. I wanted to give it a try and knew that I would not have it forever. I planned on playing with it for a while and eventually sell it. I had my fun and sold it. I would not buy the M400 today when I can get a COLT 6920 for nearly the same price.
    I must ask what made the Colt better than the M400? The reciever of the M400 is beefier than the colt M400 has ambi magazine release Colt does not M400 has a nylon screw in the lower that allows you to take up slack between the upper and lower Colt does not plus the M400 also has a pin in the barrel extension that keeps support on the extractor when firing Colt does not. So other than the prancing pony what made the Colt Better than the Sig Sauer?

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    Better? This has been beat to death again and again and a search would serve you best but for the sake of argument:
    - Colt has a proven track record for quality and reliability.
    -Colt owns the technical package for the rifle
    -Colt has better inspection and quality control. Could never find what SIG does for their QC and inspection. Do they do batch inspection or is each rifle inspected.
    -Colt uses mil spec materials in the construction of their rifles. I could never determine with any certainty what SIG uses.
    -The extractor support button is a nice touch but I have seen pictures here and on other forums where they have come loose and caused stoppages.
    -I am a lefty and I appreciated the ambi mag release. IF it went tits up where on gods green earth am I going to get parts for it? SIG? That will suck as it is unique to SIG and no LGS will have parts. Since SIG is not the most customer friendly when it comes to selling guys like you and me OEM replacement parts it means sending it to them.
    -Play between uppers and lowers is meaningless in a fighting carbine. Just one more thing to go wrong, get lost or come loose. I appreciated it but it is not needed.

    Does all this add up to a better rifle? In my mind I still think the Colt M4 6920 is a better rifle than a SIGM400 for the same money.
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    Quote Originally Posted by uniquesnd View Post
    I must ask what made the Colt better than the M400?
    Besides the fact that Colt has been producing AR variants for 50 years and might have learned a thing or two about what makes them run which is incorporated into the TDP?

    Quote Originally Posted by uniquesnd View Post
    The reciever of the M400 is beefier than the colt
    And exactly how many Colt receivers have you seen fail in other than kaboom situations due to being "too thin?"

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    M400 has ambi magazine release Colt does not
    Personal preference. I actually don't like ambi controls, others do. That's a subjective answer.


    Quote Originally Posted by uniquesnd View Post
    M400 has a nylon screw in the lower that allows you to take up slack between the upper and lower Colt does not
    Which "slop" between the upper and lower has not been shown or proven to degrade accuracy in traditional shooting distances. Other than a "wow, that's neat" factor, that screw serves no purpose in helping that weapon run better.

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    plus the M400 also has a pin in the barrel extension that keeps support on the extractor when firing Colt does not.
    And this helps by doing...what exactly?

    Quote Originally Posted by uniquesnd View Post
    So other than the prancing pony what made the Colt Better than the Sig Sauer?
    At normal prices? $1050 for a Colt 6920 and $800 for a Sig? Depending on what you use it for, the Sig might be a better deal. If you are shooting three or four times a year at Mountain Dew bottles and random dirt clods, and maybe as Fuzzy-Reticle stated a class or two, the Sig might be the best option. If you want a hard use carbine...the Sig has yet to prove itself and is still relatively new so you go with a proven name built on 50 years of refinement and lessons learned.

    Now at the same price? $1150 vs $1150. Go with a name that's got a proven track record in 50 years of combat in some of the most austere conditions on the planet. How many wars has the Sig M400 participated in? How many hard use classes has it been put through and thoroughly reviewed? Has anyone taken it to the limits trying to see what will break? For the same price, the Colt is a known winner and why would you take a chance on something that may or may not hold up?

    And for the record, I don't own any Colt products but do own a lot of weapons with the Sig roll mark so I should be biased towards the M400, but you can see I'm not.
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    Quote Originally Posted by uniquesnd View Post
    I must ask what made the Colt better than the M400? The reciever of the M400 is beefier than the colt M400 has ambi magazine release Colt does not M400 has a nylon screw in the lower that allows you to take up slack between the upper and lower Colt does not plus the M400 also has a pin in the barrel extension that keeps support on the extractor when firing Colt does not. So other than the prancing pony what made the Colt Better than the Sig Sauer?
    Here's a hint, it has to do with using the proper materials, doing the proper testing, and having the right dimensions. Not whether or not the it has a tightening grip screw.

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    Enough. Stop behaving like a junior high drama student or the next time you do you'll get an infraction and a time out. One mod already deleted one of your posts, and you didn't get the hint. Get the hint this time. No more warnings.

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    Last edited by SeriousStudent; 07-07-13 at 23:23. Reason: petulant rant removed

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    Wow. Oh well...

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    Quote Originally Posted by uniquesnd View Post
    The Colt Kool-Aide drinkers make me want to sell every colt AR I have just so I am not associated with this group of purse swingers!
    I'll give you $50 for them right now and even toss in a set of ice cube trays and free coffee mug to seal the deal.

    Deal?
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    Quote Originally Posted by uniquesnd View Post
    The whole colt has the TDP argument is crap. This is a rifle we are talking about here not the space shuttle there is nothing in the TDP that can not be found out by doing a lil reverse engineering and as far as the Sig, Bushy, DPMS not being "battle proven" if you really think about it they have been because the AR15 is a design not a brand! This is not Ford vs Chevy were you are talking about completely different engineering and manufacturing we are talking about rifles that you could disassemble 5 from different manufacturers throw the parts in a box shake it up and they will all fit together. Am I saying Colt is not a quality product NO but it is not the end all be all it is a gun that is bought based on something meeting a spec for the lowest price "Mil-Spec". The guys defending the other "Hobby Grade" AR's are not the close minded ones it is the Colt fanboys that do not get it! Sig is a Mil-Spec rifle you can call CS and ask so are many other guns and some even exceed the spec ( I know thats a hard concept to wrap small minds around) The Colt Kool-Aide drinkers make me want to sell every colt AR I have just so I am not associated with this group of purse swingers!
    I use to think the same way you do. I use to think all AR's were the same, there's one factory making the parts and then sends them to different company's that put the AR's together, then stamp their name on them. Well now I know better. After buying 2 cheap AR's and one decent AR, comparing them to my friends Colt and BCM, I know now I was totally wrong. I now know you get what you pay for. That's why I sold all my AR's and bought a BCM.
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    Re: Your thoughts? (SIG M400 MOE)

    Uniquesnd, welcome to M4C. You're free to sell whatever you'd like for whatever reason you'd like. Your argument has been discussed here numerous times along with the reasons why many people prefer the Colt over other brands. You're free to do some looking around here to find out those reasons, if you so wish. No one here owes it to you to try to change your mind. While your at it, it may behoove you to read this post: https://www.m4carbine.net/showthread.php?p=857313


    Quote Originally Posted by uniquesnd View Post
    The whole colt has the TDP argument is crap. This is a rifle we are talking about here not the space shuttle there is nothing in the TDP that can not be found out by doing a lil reverse engineering and as far as the Sig, Bushy, DPMS not being "battle proven" if you really think about it they have been because the AR15 is a design not a brand! This is not Ford vs Chevy were you are talking about completely different engineering and manufacturing we are talking about rifles that you could disassemble 5 from different manufacturers throw the parts in a box shake it up and they will all fit together. Am I saying Colt is not a quality product NO but it is not the end all be all it is a gun that is bought based on something meeting a spec for the lowest price "Mil-Spec". The guys defending the other "Hobby Grade" AR's are not the close minded ones it is the Colt fanboys that do not get it! Sig is a Mil-Spec rifle you can call CS and ask so are many other guns and some even exceed the spec ( I know thats a hard concept to wrap small minds around) The Colt Kool-Aide drinkers make me want to sell every colt AR I have just so I am not associated with this group of purse swingers!


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    Quote Originally Posted by Tonyparson View Post
    I use to think the same way you do. I use to thing all AR's are the same, there's one factory making the parts and then sends them to different company's that put the AR's together and then stamp their name on them. Well now I know better. After buying 2 cheap AR's and one decent AR and comparing them to my friends Colt and BCM I know know I was totally wrong. I now know you get what you pay for. That's why I sold all my AR's and bought a BCM.
    Thank you ryhno12 I read that post and found it very informative. Tony parson Actually their are only a few people doing the forgings for all of the AR makers that are out there, now the machining is usually done in house but that is not always the case either. I understand the difference in build quality from one AR maker to another as I own a few factory built AR's as well as a bunch I have built myself I own a bushy, a newer colt LE6920, a Sig Sauer M400 enhaned as well as a DPMS even had a Colt sp1 Rifle for 6 years which I just sold this year because some Guy just had to have it and offered me 2500$ It was only an 82 model so I let it go. I am eat up with the BRD (ask the wife) and own AR pistols also a 5.56 and a 7.62X39 that I am in the middle of building. I have used forged lowers and some of the finest billet lowers you can buy ( Seekins SP223) in my builds so I have encountered all levels of quality through out my sickness. The thing is if the SHTF the rifle closest to me that is ready to rock and roll will be my go to gun then once the current situation is stable I will then precede to go through my safe and Hand pick the one to take with me or use. My biggest Problem with the Colt fanboys is the fact they make it seem like the Colt is some Super AR that will never fail you and shoots laser guided rounds but this is not the case the gun that fits your budget is the rifle for you and the best rifle in the world is crap in the hands of someone with poor marksmanship. The advice in these type of threads should be along the lines of "whatever rifle fits your budget and allows you to have enough left over cash to buy a few thousand rounds of ammo and a membership to your local range". Read the story of Simo Häyhä and it will make you understand that a supposed crap gun is deadly in the hands of a skilled marksman!

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