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    Re: Your thoughts? (SIG M400 MOE)

    Quote Originally Posted by uniquesnd View Post
    Well no its not a bad price I paid 1100 plus tax for mine but it is the M400 enhanced not the regular one.
    How much does a 6920 go for in your area? My M400E was stickered at $867, granted on sale, this past November.

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    Quote Originally Posted by .46caliber View Post
    How much does a 6920 go for in your area? My M400E was stickered at $867, granted on sale, this past November.

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    I think the 6920 are like 1150$ or so. I have never seen the M400 enhanced go for 867$ in my area more like 899$ or so if you can find one.

    ETA: Just looked on Sigs website and MSRP is 1249$ for the enhanced so 867$ is a smoking good deal for one NIB!
    Last edited by uniquesnd; 07-07-13 at 20:35.

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    There are those that agree with your opinions/statements and those that don't.

    You will find that most on this board do not.
    Most here tend to prefer Colt over Sig, as you might have already noticed.

    Why are you so emotional about this particular issue?
    Sure not worth getting rash or uptight about...

    Quote Originally Posted by uniquesnd View Post
    The whole colt has the TDP argument is crap. This is a rifle we are talking about here not the space shuttle there is nothing in the TDP that can not be found out by doing a lil reverse engineering and as far as the Sig, Bushy, DPMS not being "battle proven" if you really think about it they have been because the AR15 is a design not a brand! This is not Ford vs Chevy were you are talking about completely different engineering and manufacturing we are talking about rifles that you could disassemble 5 from different manufacturers throw the parts in a box shake it up and they will all fit together. Am I saying Colt is not a quality product NO but it is not the end all be all it is a gun that is bought based on something meeting a spec for the lowest price "Mil-Spec". The guys defending the other "Hobby Grade" AR's are not the close minded ones it is the Colt fanboys that do not get it! Sig is a Mil-Spec rifle you can call CS and ask so are many other guns and some even exceed the spec ( I know thats a hard concept to wrap small minds around) The Colt Kool-Aide drinkers make me want to sell every colt AR I have just so I am not associated with this group of purse swingers!

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    uniquesnd - stop with the bizarre rants and insults. If you want to discuss things, discuss them. But if you want to insult people here, you'll be gone. I cannot be more clear than that. I don't know what other sites you visit or post on, and I don't really care. But we don't act like that here.

    No more warnings. Behave or go away.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SeriousStudent View Post
    uniquesnd - stop with the bizarre rants and insults. If you want to discuss things, discuss them. But if you want to insult people here, you'll be gone. I cannot be more clear than that. I don't know what other sites you visit or post on, and I don't really care. But we don't act like that here.

    No more warnings. Behave or go away.
    I have not made one bizarre rant or insulted anyone since the post Ryno12 mad.

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    I would buy a Colt 6920 instead.

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    Quote Originally Posted by uniquesnd View Post
    Thank you ryhno12 I read that post and found it very informative. Tony parson Actually their are only a few people doing the forgings for all of the AR makers that are out there, now the machining is usually done in house but that is not always the case either. I understand the difference in build quality from one AR maker to another as I own a few factory built AR's as well as a bunch I have built myself I own a bushy, a newer colt LE6920, a Sig Sauer M400 enhaned as well as a DPMS even had a Colt sp1 Rifle for 6 years which I just sold this year because some Guy just had to have it and offered me 2500$ It was only an 82 model so I let it go. I am eat up with the BRD (ask the wife) and own AR pistols also a 5.56 and a 7.62X39 that I am in the middle of building. I have used forged lowers and some of the finest billet lowers you can buy ( Seekins SP223) in my builds so I have encountered all levels of quality through out my sickness. The thing is if the SHTF the rifle closest to me that is ready to rock and roll will be my go to gun then once the current situation is stable I will then precede to go through my safe and Hand pick the one to take with me or use. My biggest Problem with the Colt fanboys is the fact they make it seem like the Colt is some Super AR that will never fail you and shoots laser guided rounds but this is not the case the gun that fits your budget is the rifle for you and the best rifle in the world is crap in the hands of someone with poor marksmanship. The advice in these type of threads should be along the lines of "whatever rifle fits your budget and allows you to have enough left over cash to buy a few thousand rounds of ammo and a membership to your local range". Read the story of Simo Häyhä and it will make you understand that a supposed crap gun is deadly in the hands of a skilled marksman!
    I'm just curious, out of all the rifles you listed have you taken any to high round counts? Like 10k+? The reason I ask is owning a gun and shooting a gun are two different animals, most people I know that tout "hobby grade" guns as being "just as good" aren't shooters, they're collectors. People here tend to recommend colt and other high end brands because they have proven themselves to be worthy of their price not by fit and finish, options, or feel, but by holding up to strenuous levels of shooting. Colt, DD, BCM, etc have consistently proven to hold up to high levels of abuse, when the hobby grade guns have a track record of failure. Does sig fall into top tier or hobby grade? Who's shot one to the point of failure? Most things I read about the m400's reliability goes something like "I shot 500 rounds through my m400 and its been flawless". I'm not saying sig AR's are crap, I'm just saying they have nowhere near the track record of colts, DD, BCM, novekse, etc, and when the price difference is only 10-15%, why bother with something with no history vs something that's proven? Seems like a no brainer to me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by thatpanda View Post
    I'm just curious, out of all the rifles you listed have you taken any to high round counts? Like 10k+? The reason I ask is owning a gun and shooting a gun are two different animals, most people I know that tout "hobby grade" guns as being "just as good" aren't shooters, they're collectors. People here tend to recommend colt and other high end brands because they have proven themselves to be worthy of their price not by fit and finish, options, or feel, but by holding up to strenuous levels of shooting. Colt, DD, BCM, etc have consistently proven to hold up to high levels of abuse, when the hobby grade guns have a track record of failure. Does sig fall into top tier or hobby grade? Who's shot one to the point of failure? Most things I read about the m400's reliability goes something like "I shot 500 rounds through my m400 and its been flawless". I'm not saying sig AR's are crap, I'm just saying they have nowhere near the track record of colts, DD, BCM, novekse, etc, and when the price difference is only 10-15%, why bother with something with no history vs something that's proven? Seems like a no brainer to me.
    I have around 500 or so through the Sig about 1000 through the DPMS very little through the colt and around 1500 or so through the bushy now my built Ar's I am not going to include since they are not something you can go pick up at your local Wally-World. Here is a link where they run 10,000 rounds of steel cased ammo through four bushmasters for a total of 40,000 rounds and all of them held up through the test! But you know bushmasters are crap........

    http://www.luckygunner.com/labs/bras...el-cased-ammo/

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    Quote Originally Posted by uniquesnd View Post
    I have around 500 or so through the Sig about 1000 through the DPMS very little through the colt and around 1500 or so through the bushy now my built Ar's I am not going to include since they are not something you can go pick up at your local Wally-World. Here is a link where they run 10,000 rounds of steel cased ammo through four bushmasters for a total of 40,000 rounds and all of them held up through the test! But you know bushmasters are crap........

    http://www.luckygunner.com/labs/bras...el-cased-ammo/

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    I bought my Colt 6920 from Grant a little over a year ago for something close to $960 if I remember correctly. With the extras I had added it was right at $1200 (sopmod stock, ASAP end plate, and a battlecomp) assembled and shipped. Why on earth would you go with anything else for that price?

    As far as TDP not mattering...Well I can tell you I've had a few AR's before I knew better that didn't meet it (DPMS and CMMG) and they jammed all the time. Had quite a few stuck cases with the CMMG as well. My Colt 6920 hasn't had that problem after almost 8k rounds..and there are members on this board that have put tons more than that through theirs. The TDP isn't the end all be all test of quality, as some companies do go a step further. What the TDP does do however is set the bar for a rifle to meet as far as quality and reliability goes. Any maker who honestly uses the TDP will AT WORST meet the requirements It demands. What does Sig do to measure theirs? Do they even have a means of measuring the quality of there rifles, or do they send them out with question marks? If they do, is it consistent?..

    Not to mention with the quality control issues Sig has had as of late, is the extra money not worth the peace of mind? (I do own a Sig btw, a P226 to be exact so this isn't just bias speaking). Peace of mind is worth it to me.
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