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    Thanks Larry.

    Thankfully spats do get squashed here pretty quick. Let's good information make it through.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Serlo II View Post
    You folks are spot on.
    I never really understood the attacking certain weapons. It goes without saying that service grade weapons are superior for their intended use than hobby weapons. Still I can’t seek attacking each other over purchase selections. This is an outstanding educational site and place to exchange views on what works and doesn’t work.

    Sure I buy the best gear I can afford and I research and test it all thoroughly.
    But to me a weapon is just a tool. I normally don’t get attached to them. My primary and most dangerous weapon is my mind. Situational awareness and the ability to make things work in your favor is far more important to me.
    I appreciated the mentoring I received on another forum from Pat Rogers (EAG Tactical) on the topic of Smith and Wesson vs. Colt or BCM. He put it pretty simply (as a lot of folks on here do): LE Smiths are good guns, but for not much more money you can get Colt or BCM. He was also careful to disclose his business relationship with BCM.

    On the other hand, some folks can get tired of trying to lead people down the right path. I suppose if I were over here more, I would get tired of people repeatedly arguing when told their DPMS is a sub par weapon.

    I bought a 15T when they were relatively new. Gun has a lot going for it parts wise, but the gas key staking was sub par, and the gas tube was cracked where it went into the gas block. Some folks on here helped me out and it is working fine. Still happier having bought the 6920.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Serlo II View Post
    You folks are spot on.
    I never really understood the attacking certain weapons. It goes without saying that service grade weapons are superior for their intended use than hobby weapons. Still I can’t seek attacking each other over purchase selections. This is an outstanding educational site and place to exchange views on what works and doesn’t work. Pay attention and learn or not - it’s up to you.

    Sure I buy the best gear I can afford and I research and test it all thoroughly. But to me a weapon is just a tool. I normally don’t get attached to them. My primary and most dangerous weapon is my mind. Situational awareness and the ability to make things work in your favor is far more important to me.
    Some do go about it the wrong way, but most try to help the other members out by making suggestions and offering their experiences and opinions. What confuses the hell out of me is:

    1) OP posts build and basically asks "how did I do?"

    2) Member says "oh, you plan to use that for HD??" "You may want to buy a better carbine if your life depends on it"

    3) OP gets bent out of shape. An AR is an AR, you're wrong!!...Spat ensues.

    What the OP should have done if he didn't understand why, is ASK WHY. Then understand why. Then it comes down to the OP making the changes and using the info correctly. It all comes down to attitude and willingness to learn.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RMiller View Post
    Some do go about it the wrong way, but most try to help the other members out by making suggestions and offering their experiences and opinions. What confuses the hell out of me is:

    1) OP posts build and basically asks "how did I do?"

    2) Member says "oh, you plan to use that for HD??" "You may want to buy a better carbine if your life depends on it"

    3) OP gets bent out of shape. An AR is an AR, you're wrong!!...Spat ensues.

    What the OP should have done if he didn't understand why, is ASK WHY. Then understand why. Then it comes down to the OP making the changes and using the info correctly. It all comes down to attitude and willingness to learn.
    this is exactly what made me take the long journey to discovering what makes an ar part/maker stand out. i was all ready to jump on a bushy until a friend sent me the link to m4c and basically said " do some research and rethink your position" . i jumped on here and saw a bunch of these type of posts in my initial search and that alone made me scale back and do some serious research. people are just too afraid of getting their feelings hurt nowadays, some want to be coddled.
    Got BCM?

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    People should not be allowed to buy an AR until they read the stickies, or there should be a 72 hour waiting period to get the AR only after you have clocked 72 hours or more of solid M4carbine reading. It would give you time to change your mind, save your money, well you may spend more but it will be worth it, and save your ass and from being one.

    I looked back to my first few threads or post and I am only half embarrassed by what I thought I knew, I was a lucky one now that I think about it. Lucky for me my first AR decision was a Daniel Defense V1 but that did not stop from the stupid threads and comments. Then one day I just got it, I bit my tongue stopped typing and started reading.. And I learned and continue to learn a shit load. I am being serious I think new comers will take it the wrong way, I know I prob would have at first but I would have benefited from a read only probationary period on here. This forum is a no bullshit if your gold is shit someone is going to tell you it's shit kind of place, then after they tell you your shit sucks, advice is given and straight forward by people who know exactly what they are talking about. It hurts when someone tells you that you spent 1500 on a POS when people hurt they get defensive and angry. People look for Affirmation just because they spent money, and they don't get it here, and they think your being an ass but your doing them a favor, a favor that could potentially save their life. That's what I love about it here, I know I am getting predominately great information and above all no bullshit.
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    coming from a lifetime of hunting, target rifle shooting, and then service rifle competition as an entre into the AR world, I have a bit different view of things than most of the old timers here. my watchwords are "suitability to a purpose" and "value".

    for the guy who just wants a gun to poke holes in paper with the kids and shoots maybe, a couple hundred rounds a month (what I call sporting use), and there are no serious consequences associated with failure of the gun, just inconvenience and possibly expense, does he really need the top of the line? I have always thought no, a "duty" grade gun is not needed.

    but the next thing I come to is value and with the very little more that someone has to pay to get a known best of breed, it just doesn't make sense to buy a lesser product.

    among many of my friends who have never owned a gun before but became concerned during this latest panic, I am known as the "gun guy". they came to me for advice and my first question to them was always, "why are you buying this gun"? social unrest, home invasion/self defense, etc. was always the answer....

    my short response was "just look for a basic BCM, Colt, or Daniel Defense" but sometimes availability was lacking or they found a "deal" on a lesser gun. then I took the time to explain the difference and what, IMO, was absolutely necessary and what could be upgraded later. I tried to steer them toward quality and away from gee-gaws. some listened, some didn't but I didn't take any of this personally as I understand that people do things based on their own perceptions as well as their experiences and I'm not the only one out there telling them what to do.

    bottom line is I think people here are genuinely interested in helping people from making mistakes based on their current knowledge. unfortunately, people don't always do what we want them to and someone that comes to you for advice and then ignores it, or worse, tries to tell you why they think you're wrong, is going to be a frustration.

    as a group we need to be willing to let these people make their own mistakes but willing to add advice as to how to improve or make their choice reliable, or what spares they need to buy immediately.
    never push a wrench...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blak1508 View Post
    People should not be allowed to buy an AR until they read the stickies, or there should be a 72 hour waiting period to get the AR only after you have clocked 72 hours or more of solid M4carbine reading. It would give you time to change your mind, save your money, well you may spend more but it will be worth it, and save your ass and from being one.
    This idea would of saved me a lot of money and headaches.

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    CRAP

    Quote Originally Posted by VIP3R 237 View Post
    The problem is that most of us become emotionally invested in our purchases, and criticism is hard for many to take after dropping a grand or two on a product. Many try to justify their purchase and get defensive when others tell them its not up to par.
    Some people just won't admit with there vast knowledge they bought a piece of SHIT, and will defend it tell death or until they buy another piece of shit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ra2bach View Post
    coming from a lifetime of hunting, target rifle shooting, and then service rifle competition as an entre into the AR world, I have a bit different view of things than most of the old timers here. my watchwords are "suitability to a purpose" and "value".

    for the guy who just wants a gun to poke holes in paper with the kids and shoots maybe, a couple hundred rounds a month (what I call sporting use), and there are no serious consequences associated with failure of the gun, just inconvenience and possibly expense, does he really need the top of the line? I have always thought no, a "duty" grade gun is not needed.

    but the next thing I come to is value and with the very little more that someone has to pay to get a known best of breed, it just doesn't make sense to buy a lesser product.

    among many of my friends who have never owned a gun before but became concerned during this latest panic, I am known as the "gun guy". they came to me for advice and my first question to them was always, "why are you buying this gun"? social unrest, home invasion/self defense, etc. was always the answer....

    my short response was "just look for a basic BCM, Colt, or Daniel Defense" but sometimes availability was lacking or they found a "deal" on a lesser gun. then I took the time to explain the difference and what, IMO, was absolutely necessary and what could be upgraded later. I tried to steer them toward quality and away from gee-gaws. some listened, some didn't but I didn't take any of this personally as I understand that people do things based on their own perceptions as well as their experiences and I'm not the only one out there telling them what to do.

    bottom line is I think people here are genuinely interested in helping people from making mistakes based on their current knowledge. unfortunately, people don't always do what we want them to and someone that comes to you for advice and then ignores it, or worse, tries to tell you why they think you're wrong, is going to be a frustration.

    as a group we need to be willing to let these people make their own mistakes but willing to add advice as to how to improve or make their choice reliable, or what spares they need to buy immediately.
    Excellent post. As an example, last month I pieced together an AR out of spare parts, most of them bottom of the barrel. A CMMG barrel and BCG, DPMS upper reciever, and Doublestar parts kit. Reason? That's all I could find at the time and what I had on hand. Probably the only part really worth anything on it is the LRB lower.

    The intended purpose however was as a training/familiarization weapon for my mother. She started gaining an interest in the platform earlier this year. I wanted to get more in depth with assembly of ARs so a couple months back I decided to take the CMMG rifle I had and swap out the barrel for a DD and put a free float rail on it. Doing so on a junker rifle was a huge learning experience even if the end result is not on the same level as a Colt, BCM, DD, KAC, etc.

    The left over parts went into the second assembly which is ideal for her to learn the platform. Then if she wants to fully invest in it, she can buy a high quality complete rifle will now be able to go that much further because of her experience.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MistWolf View Post
    Boy, they sure do things differently in Montana, don't they??
    Dang! That's embarrassing, lol.

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