View Poll Results: What is your opinion of personal cosmetic touches on a defensive weapon?

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  • They will get you lynched in court - don't do it

    40 10.90%
  • They may add weight to the prosecution depending on the circumstances

    158 43.05%
  • Doubtful they would have any significance in court, but fellow enthusiast may ridicule them

    67 18.26%
  • It won't make any difference either way - do what you want

    102 27.79%
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Thread: The liability of graphics, engravings, and other personal cosmetic touches

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    Re: The liability of graphics, engravings, and other personal cosmetic touches

    Quote Originally Posted by Voodoo_Man View Post
    I think you guys are taking this a little too far.

    What does it matter what it says as long as it isn't something along the lines of "skittle hunter" on zimmermans keltec.

    If what brand or logo or phrase or picture you put on a specific item mattered then it would be the point of contention in every case. Who where wants to bet that if any of it mattered then the prosecution would bring up the vertx pants because tactical people wear them. The magpul iphone case, gun company affiliation? What about your screen saver on your phone or background? Have a gun as wallpaper, bad move buddy. Wait you wearing a bcm trucker cap when you lawfully defended yourself? Guess you are going to jail, guilty!

    Seriously, less tinfoil.
    I must've missed the post where someone said wearing a BCM hat would get you arrested. In fact, nobody brought up any brand or logos, just recommendations against putting stupid, ghetto inscriptions on the side of an SD firearm.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ryno12 View Post
    I must've missed the post where someone said wearing a BCM hat would get you arrested. In fact, nobody brought up any brand or logos, just recommendations against putting stupid, ghetto inscriptions on the side of an SD firearm.

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    I was making a point that brand recognition means nothing. Its specific negative markings that may get you in trouble.

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    Regardless of any liability issue. I don't play makeup any more with my hammer than any other tool in my house, including defensive firearms.

    Aesthetics do come into play for non-defensive firearms, but I prefer to be subtle with it.

    With the recent case in FL the prosecution will try to use any form of potential character flaw to vilify you in court.

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    Re: The liability of graphics, engravings, and other personal cosmetic touches

    Quote Originally Posted by Voodoo_Man View Post
    I was making a point that brand recognition means nothing. Its specific negative markings that may get you in trouble.
    Sorry, I misunderstood your post. I agree.
    I'd still avoid the typical, "molon labe, zombie, front-towards-enemy," kind of crap.

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    Take it from someone with grand jury experience: don't festoon your firearms with Punisher this or Molon Labe that.....
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    Re: The liability of graphics, engravings, and other personal cosmetic touches

    Quote Originally Posted by Badger89 View Post
    Very unlikely.


    What I'm considering is a trigger guard with the following engraved on the underside:

    "Rescue the weak and the needy; deliver them from the hand of the wicked." Psalm 82:4

    Not as menacing as the punisher logo, or as malicious sounding as "Smile, wait for flash" but it's still a personal touch. I'm sure someone could try to twist it to paint me in a bad light, I'm just wondering how successful they would be. Thoughts?
    You must bs an ultra conservative, bible thumping, tea partying, gun nut.

    Seriously though, as we have seen recently facts have little to due with liability in firesrms usage. Anything can be used by others or yourself to skew perception of the facts.

    Why supply the ammo.

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    I have pondered having some scripture verses (Book, Chapter: Verse) engraved on the carrying handle just under the rear sight or on the back of the charging handle. Here are some of my thoughts:


    Psalms 18:2 (pretty close to Saving Private Ryan)
    Psalms 23:4 (Sounds too much like a cliche)
    Psalms 27:2 (more to my liking)
    Psalms 91:5 (I like this one too)
    Psalms 91:7 (a little morbid)
    Isaiah 43:2 (indirect, but comforting)
    Ezekiel 25:17 (I know it sounds too much like Pulp Fiction)
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    This again?

    1st Statist: Look at this poll- It appears that there are many shooters that are afraid that if they engrave something silly on their weapon, it will weigh against them in court if used in self defense

    2nd Statist: That's the problem- self defense is still legal. Most investigations never result in charges being filed. What's worse, many of these killers are protected from civil suits. We should do something

    1st Statist: We should play on their fears. We'll suggest to the public that provocative engravings on evil black rifles are another warning sign the possessor is a terrorist

    2nd Statist: Good idea- I'll hit that poll and feed their paranoia so they'll be afraid to ever make any kind of statement
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    I'd still rather not have a far reaching prosecutor dragging me over the coals for a "Suprise, Cock Fag!" dust cover.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Voodoo_Man View Post
    Remember something, adding molon labe or whatever to your gun means nothing, how many guns like that are out there? Its not unique. Having "skittles hunter" laser engraved on your keltec and then shooting TM well that is a completely different story.
    So you're saying that in your opinion what matters in the level of uniqueness? So for example, the punisher logo or "molon labe", while arguably more menacing, would be less likely to land you in hot water because they are more common compared to something incredibly unique and seemingly harmless, should you manage to get yourself into an incredibly ironic situation? What if you have the arabic "infidel" on your rifle and someone of middle eastern descent attacks you, or you are attacked by a Muslim and happen to have a Bible verse on the weapon you used to defend yourself? Is that what you're getting at? I'm just trying to clarify...

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