View Poll Results: What is your opinion of personal cosmetic touches on a defensive weapon?

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  • They will get you lynched in court - don't do it

    40 10.90%
  • They may add weight to the prosecution depending on the circumstances

    158 43.05%
  • Doubtful they would have any significance in court, but fellow enthusiast may ridicule them

    67 18.26%
  • It won't make any difference either way - do what you want

    102 27.79%
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Thread: The liability of graphics, engravings, and other personal cosmetic touches

  1. #91
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    When it's all over said and done, "Is it worth it".
    To me? No! To whomever? Maybe.
    If it ever became an issue, you'd kick yourself!

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    Some stuff like camo or benign markings are unlikely to be a issue but I wouldn't want to have to deal with the potential BS some markings could create. I think most of the random markings (often Internet memes) are retarded.

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    basically if you think it could possibly be used to paint you in a negative light, then don't do it. it is kind of sad that we even have to worry about this sort of thing... "oh he had a picture on his gun, he's a monster!"

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    Quote Originally Posted by GunnutAF View Post
    Did the type of weapon and or ammo come up in the GZ trial? Nope!
    You apparently did not watch the opening couple of days of the prosecution case.

    Yes, they did try and argue that there was something sinister about carrying a 9mm with one in the chamber, and that the KelTec was small enough to be concealed...and that it was concealed to begin with.

    It was ridiculous...but it was part of the case.

    Fortunately in the cross examination, that whole line of questioning was destroyed, but it was thrown out there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HackerF15E View Post
    You apparently did not watch the opening couple of days of the prosecution case.

    Yes, they did try and argue that there was something sinister about carrying a 9mm with one in the chamber, and that the KelTec was small enough to be concealed...and that it was concealed to begin with.

    It was ridiculous...but it was part of the case.

    Fortunately in the cross examination, that whole line of questioning was destroyed, but it was thrown out there.
    it was also questioned about the safety of him carrying a gun without an external safety. Nevermind the fact that most carry pieces do not have external safeties. Hence internal safeties + heavier trigger pull + holster.
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    Please refrain from carving notches on the butt of your gun. That can be, uh, misconstrued...
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    Quote Originally Posted by BioLayne View Post
    it was also questioned about the safety of him carrying a gun without an external safety. Nevermind the fact that most carry pieces do not have external safeties. Hence internal safeties + heavier trigger pull + holster.
    In my opinion, the prosecution had to think that because it was all females on the jury, that they were not educated when it came to firearms and CCW.

    Hence, they were trying to up the "scare factor" of the gun, as well as making it sound sinister that there was one in the pipe, that there was no safety, and that it was concealed.

    Such tricks, despite the reputation of De La Rionda, aren't limited to that prosecutor or that case. IMHO, anything and everything that can be made to reflect poorly on the defendant will be leveraged to the max extent possible.

    Unlike what Angela Corey said in the post-verdict press conference, defendants are not sent to trial "to get all the facts out there" -- that is why there are Grand Juries and Special Prosecutors. Trials are only commenced once the prosecution believes they can get a conviction, and their objective once the gavel comes down is to get that conviction. It is not to be fair...it is not to allow an honest presentation of the evidence...it is specifically to get a conviction.

    IMHO, any feeling of paranoia that CCWers have about their firearm choice seems to be borne out by actual fact, and is a legitimate aspect to think about.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Voodoo_Man View Post
    Remember something, adding molon labe or whatever to your gun means nothing, how many guns like that are out there? Its not unique.
    How many of those weapons are involved in shootings and end up as evidence?

    I tend to agree that you can take it to extremes, but maybe in some cases it is better safe than sorry.

    A jury may be told not to consider something after an objection has been sustained, but they can't unhear it. A zealous prosecutor or defense attorney knows that.

    My take is that you cant say absolutely one way or another.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Frailer View Post
    I'm surprised it took three pages for Hello Kitty to show up.

    As to the original question...no logos/mottos/cosmetics here. Not judging; just not my style.
    For the love of all that is good and holy if I have to die then I accept it but please, not by a hello kitty styled rifle.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swag View Post
    Please refrain from carving notches on the butt of your gun. That can be, uh, misconstrued...


    Thanks for the laugh.

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