View Poll Results: What is your opinion of personal cosmetic touches on a defensive weapon?

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  • They will get you lynched in court - don't do it

    40 10.90%
  • They may add weight to the prosecution depending on the circumstances

    158 43.05%
  • Doubtful they would have any significance in court, but fellow enthusiast may ridicule them

    67 18.26%
  • It won't make any difference either way - do what you want

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Thread: The liability of graphics, engravings, and other personal cosmetic touches

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    Quote Originally Posted by aguila327 View Post
    You must bs an ultra conservative, bible thumping, tea partying, gun nut.
    Aren't we all? It seems that if you belong to any "right wing" group, you automatically belong to them all. You forgot to add that I must hate gays, that seems to get lumped in there a lot too. Regardless, I don't want this thread to devolve into some of the rather unprofessional discussions that seem to thrive in the General Discussion forum... so lets try to stay on topic. I'm personally considering a Bible verse, but the topic is any "social statement" added to your defensive weapon, and how it might be viewed in court should you ever have to use it.

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    For a serious social gun there is no way I would put anything on it that wasn't put there by the factory you just open a can of worms by adding something that a prosecutor could have a field day with.
    That being said I have a training carbine that has some added touches but that rifle is only tasked with range use.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MistWolf View Post
    This again?

    1st Statist: Look at this poll- It appears that there are many shooters that are afraid that if they engrave something silly on their weapon, it will weigh against them in court if used in self defense

    2nd Statist: That's the problem- self defense is still legal. Most investigations never result in charges being filed. What's worse, many of these killers are protected from civil suits. We should do something

    1st Statist: We should play on their fears. We'll suggest to the public that provocative engravings on evil black rifles are another warning sign the possessor is a terrorist

    2nd Statist: Good idea- I'll hit that poll and feed their paranoia so they'll be afraid to ever make any kind of statement
    Very interesting take on the matter!

    While I'm normally not one to censor myself for "politically correctness" when something as trivial as this has the potential to contribute to a wrongful conviction, I have to consider it. I take it your opinion on the subject is that this mentality is contributing to the problem?
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    Sometimes we invent our own problems. I don't think there have been any cases of a clean self defense shooting that's been complicated by something provocative having been engraved on the rifle. If we start avoiding engravings for this reason and pressure others to do the same, it falls into the category of a solution in search of a problem. If we believe hard enough that it's a problem, then guess what? It becomes a problem we believed into existence.

    Some of the engravings I've seen on dust covers I think are downright retarded. But it's not my job to tell anyone that.

    It's easy to exercise our rights when there is no risk. It's easy to say "The King is a Fink!" when we know it's safe to do so. It's much tougher when someone will crack our heads for it- or when we think they will

    (As an aside, this threads falls under one of my personal pet peeves- the silly use of a poll while discussing a silly subject that's been covered many times before)
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    Can anyone point to any factual cases of Tea Party dust covers or Molon Labe pistol grips causing someone to end up in court for a 100% clean shooting? We have had these discussions numerous times in the past.

    It's same story when someone alleges that using an NFA weapon is going to land you in the big house. Or a high capacity magazine is proof intent to commit mass killings.

    I feel strongly that if it's a clean shoot and you keep your mouth shut then you have nothing to worry about. OTOH if you are cruising the ghetto looking for crack and tranny hookers and you shoot their transgender pimp for staring at you the wrong way, then yeah, you might have a problem.



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    Quote Originally Posted by MistWolf View Post
    (As an aside, this threads falls under one of my personal pet peeves- the silly use of a poll while discussing a silly subject that's been covered many times before)
    Sorry. I did an extensive search for various terms regarding the topic but wasn't able to find anything on the possible liabilities of a customized weapon...

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    While I do find most polls annoying and it's true this particular subject has been hashed out more than a few times, I was poking fun at myself with that aside. Please don't take it too seriously- better yet, figure out a clever way to turn it back on me
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    Quote Originally Posted by Badger89 View Post
    So you're saying that in your opinion what matters in the level of uniqueness? So for example, the punisher logo or "molon labe", while arguably more menacing, would be less likely to land you in hot water because they are more common compared to something incredibly unique and seemingly harmless, should you manage to get yourself into an incredibly ironic situation? What if you have the arabic "infidel" on your rifle and someone of middle eastern descent attacks you, or you are attacked by a Muslim and happen to have a Bible verse on the weapon you used to defend yourself? Is that what you're getting at? I'm just trying to clarify...
    Realistically speaking, a clean/good shoot is just that, it does not matter what you have on your gun, your person, or otherwise, its all non-sense.

    Now having "infidel" or a bible verse on your gun, may provide the wrong type of idea to some, but if it is widespread enough the "I bought my gun this way" line can and will work. If you add something very specific then you may need to go a little further to explain it.

    Also, can you identify who is a Muslim or terrorist or Christian or a Jew? I cannot by looking at them unless they are wearing traditional clothing. So who know what the person you may or may not have to legally shoot is religiously? Does it matter? No.

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    I already have homosexual engraving on the side of my lowers, its called the spikes tactical rollmark. I guess thats the price of buying them in bulk for $95 a piece when they were on sale. I honestly dont care whats on the lower as long as its in spec and would actually prefer it if it didnt have anything except the serial number and safety selector markings.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LowSpeed_HighDrag View Post
    I'd still rather not have a far reaching prosecutor dragging me over the coals for a "Suprise, Cock Fag!" dust cover.
    I just about peed myself on that one. When I got my CHL in TX this subject came up. The school I went to actually had one of the assistant DAs come over and talk to us about shoots, self defense etc. The guy told us that if it is a clean obvious self defense shoot it won't matter. If it is a bad shoot they will try to crucify you.
    Last edited by AFshirt; 07-15-13 at 07:48.

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