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    Quote Originally Posted by 1911-A1 View Post
    Just for giggles, consider a Krinkov-style AK. Mine fits in a small backpack with the stock folded.

    That's one of the drawbacks of the AR system. It doesn't get that small without rendering it inop.
    Is that NFA? And with it being stored anywhere but the trunk, I'd be worried it'd be subject to the smash and grab crowd. And yes the trunk is not as accessible, but if you're carrying concealed, you use that to fight to your primary. Remember that most criminals don't expect to get shot back at by anyone by police.
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    Why not an AR pistol? Can keep it loaded in the passenger compartment with your carry permit. Much easier than a long gun.

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    The law is "securely encased" but for some reason I feel that having it in a locked trunk counts as "securely encased".
    That's the law in my state as well. The rifle must also be unloaded with the ammo stored in a different location, unless you cave a carry permit, then you can have a loaded rifle in your vehicle.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GH41 View Post
    Why the freak would you want it in the trunk?? I can see it now... Give me a minute boys..my gun is in the trunk and in a case!
    I'm gonna have to agree with GH41 on this one... I don't see how having it in the trunk, underneath the spare tire cover, potentially disassembled, would help you at all in any kind of situation where you might need it. If you live in a state where your concealed carry permit allows you to carry any type of weapon concealed (rather than just a pistol) I would opt to have the long accessible from the drivers seat... perhaps secure it to the back of the "60" section of the 60/40 folding rear seat if your vehicle has one. That way all you have to do is recline the drivers seat all the way (which would offer you cover/concealment anyway) and fold down the rear seat. Unhook the rifle and you're in business. Of course, as stated you would need a folding rear seat for this to work, and you would have to be able to fold it from the inside (they have to be folded from the trunk side in some vehicles). Otherwise throw it in a hard case in the back seat with a couple loaded mags in the case if the law in your state allows. Just my 2 cents.
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    I still say a gun in the trunk is a ****ed up plan if you feel threatened! GH
    And I totally agree with this as well. I might have a AR in the trunk, but you had better believe I would have a full size handgun with enough mags up front with me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Badger89 View Post
    I'm gonna have to agree with GH41 on this one... I don't see how having it in the trunk, underneath the spare tire cover, potentially disassembled, would help you at all in any kind of situation where you might need it. If you live in a state where your concealed carry permit allows you to carry any type of weapon concealed (rather than just a pistol) I would opt to have the long accessible from the drivers seat... perhaps secure it to the back of the "60" section of the 60/40 folding rear seat if your vehicle has one. That way all you have to do is recline the drivers seat all the way (which would offer you cover/concealment anyway) and fold down the rear seat. Unhook the rifle and you're in business. Of course, as stated you would need a folding rear seat for this to work, and you would have to be able to fold it from the inside (they have to be folded from the trunk side in some vehicles). Otherwise throw it in a hard case in the back seat with a couple loaded mags in the case if the law in your state allows. Just my 2 cents.
    First, Florida law is very specific AGAINST having loaded long guns that are accessible in a vehicle. I can't find the specific statute (I'm trying) but basically if you have a loaded rifle in your passenger compartment you are going to the pokey. I'm still trying to find out if that applies to the trunk. The law says it must not be ready for immediate use OR securely encased with something that has a lid. The trunk has a lid, therefore it should be allowed to be stored securely encased.

    Secondly, I will take having a long gun with me in the vehicle over not having one with anytime. Aside from getting my vehicle stolen (because smash and grabs rarely get inside the trunk, which is difficult to do on a Benz anyway) what am I risking by keeping it in the trunk? Its an option. An option I wouldn't have if I kept it at home in the safe.

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    FL LAW 790.25 states:

    (5) POSSESSION IN PRIVATE CONVEYANCE.––Notwithstanding subsection (2), it is lawful and is not a violation of s. 790.01 for a person 18 years of age or older to possess a concealed firearm or other weapon for self-defense or other lawful purpose within the interior of a private conveyance, without a license, if the firearm or other weapon is securely encased or is otherwise not readily accessible for immediate use. Nothing herein contained prohibits the carrying of a legal firearm other than a handgun anywhere in a private conveyance when such firearm is being carried for a lawful use. Nothing herein contained shall be construed to authorize the carrying of a concealed firearm or other weapon on the person. This subsection shall be liberally construed in favor of the lawful use, ownership, and possession of firearms and other weapons, including lawful self-defense as provided in s. 776.012.


    The above says that you can have a rifle in your car anywhere BUT, it does not give you permission to have it concealed in the automobile. 790.01 does not exclude a rifle so you can, and will get arrested if it is concealed and not securely encased. The law is not clear but case law is and supports the above. To be legal with a rifle in your car it must NOT be "concealed from ordinary sight" unless its concealed because it is "securely encased" like in a gun case. A rifle clearly visible in a rack or just laying visibly on the seat should be legal but that still doesn't help me with it being in the trunk loaded. Unloaded should be okay because it is "not available for immediate use", but then again even loaded, in the trunk, it is "not available for immediate use".

    I wonder how Florida LEOs feel about this. I'll call some of my buddies just to get some word from their perspective (although not legally binding, its a good starting point)
    Last edited by Eurodriver; 07-14-13 at 20:59.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eurodriver View Post
    Secondly, I will take having a long gun with me in the vehicle over not having one with anytime. Aside from getting my vehicle stolen (because smash and grabs rarely get inside the trunk, which is difficult to do on a Benz anyway) what am I risking by keeping it in the trunk? Its an option. An option I wouldn't have if I kept it at home in the safe.
    I thought there was discussion about strapping it to the roof or somewhere else in the vehicle aside from the trunk, hence the smash and grab comment.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eurodriver View Post
    The design of the trunk prevents that. You would have to be underneath the level of the trunk looking up into it in order to see the rifle.

    ETA: I just walked out to the car and there is no way you could see a rifle hanging up there unless you were right behind the car bending over looking up into it.
    Misunderstanding on my part. I thought you were talking about attaching it to the inside of the trunk lid, where it would be visible if the trunk was opened. I see where you're talking about now.

    Are you in the Orlando area?

    You've also given me cause to look into FL law a bit more because I was under the impression that with a FL CCW permit that you were G2G with a loaded weapon in the vehicle with you, regardless of whether it's a handgun or a long gun.
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    Get one of these:
    http://www.faxonfirearms.com/c/1/ara...pper-receivers

    And one of these:
    http://riflestocks.com/store/product36.html

    Fit it anywhere you want.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eurodriver View Post
    FL LAW 790.25 states:

    (5) POSSESSION IN PRIVATE CONVEYANCE.––Notwithstanding subsection (2), it is lawful and is not a violation of s. 790.01 for a person 18 years of age or older to possess a concealed firearm or other weapon for self-defense or other lawful purpose within the interior of a private conveyance, without a license, if the firearm or other weapon is securely encased or is otherwise not readily accessible for immediate use. Nothing herein contained prohibits the carrying of a legal firearm other than a handgun anywhere in a private conveyance when such firearm is being carried for a lawful use. Nothing herein contained shall be construed to authorize the carrying of a concealed firearm or other weapon on the person. This subsection shall be liberally construed in favor of the lawful use, ownership, and possession of firearms and other weapons, including lawful self-defense as provided in s. 776.012.


    The above says that you can have a rifle in your car anywhere BUT, it does not give you permission to have it concealed in the automobile. 790.01 does not exclude a rifle so you can, and will get arrested if it is concealed and not securely encased. The law is not clear but case law is and supports the above. To be legal with a rifle in your car it must NOT be "concealed from ordinary sight" unless its concealed because it is "securely encased" like in a gun case. A rifle clearly visible in a rack or just laying visibly on the seat should be legal but that still doesn't help me with it being in the trunk loaded. Unloaded should be okay because it is "not available for immediate use", but then again even loaded, in the trunk, it is "not available for immediate use".
    Ignoring my opinion on how horribly written that statute is, I would say figuring out how the state defines "securely encased" would be a good start. Here in Wisconsin, a firearm is considered "securely encased" as long as it is enclosed in any kind of case and unloaded. The "case" does not need to be locked and can be something as simple as a gun sock or zippered soft case. Unloaded is defined as not having any ammunition in the firearm itself, but does not preclude storing ammunition in the case with the firearm, or storing loaded magazines in the case with the firearm, as long as their is not a loaded mag in the gun. If Florida law is similar to Wisconsin law in that aspect, I'd say your best bet would be keeping the rifle and a handful of loaded mags in a case that is easily accessible (i.e. not locked). Whether you keep said case in the trunk or inside the passenger compartment shouldn't matter at that point.

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