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    People bash lower priced guns to justify their exorbitant spending on theirs.

    DPMS will fix your problematic rifles. A sportical is bare bones and should run 100%. materials don't affect reliability, only long term use or abuse etc.

    Every manufacturer has problems. Especially Glocks. Gen 4 release was a fiasco. Gen 3 40s malfunction with light attachments. Etc. The thing that matters is customer service.

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    For 308 I would just go for a bolt gun. No point in hunting with a semi 308 it's heavy and cumbersome.

    For a battle rifle I would just go FNAR for same price as DPMS. I wouldn't mind buying a LR308 though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by maw1777 View Post
    People bash lower priced guns to justify their exorbitant spending on theirs.

    DPMS will fix your problematic rifles. A sportical is bare bones and should run 100%. materials don't affect reliability, only long term use or abuse etc.

    Every manufacturer has problems. Especially Glocks. Gen 4 release was a fiasco. Gen 3 40s malfunction with light attachments. Etc. The thing that matters is customer service.
    If I may?

    In some cases, "support after the sale" may not be as useful as excellent function of a tool or device.

    Parachutes, fire extinguishers, disk brakes, self defense firearms and manned space craft come to mind.

    Whilst plummeting earthward at terminal velocity (remembering that "terminal" has several meanings) I'd prefer my parachute to deploy exactly as I wish it to. Thinking that "Gosh, those splendid fellows at Acme Parachute and Coyote Supply will fix this gem if it fails" is not a thought I care to entertain.

    And I am sure the lads at Thiokol were great guys, but the awesome warranty did not help the folks on the Challenger.

    Some things are worth paying for, to get right the first time.

    I've had firearms and tools from BCM, Colt, Noveske, LMT and others. Honestly, I have no idea what their customer service is like. I've never needed it.

    Every maker has issues - absolutely true. But a good company will have much fewer issues out the gate, and correspondingly fewer issues to repair.

    If you want to buy an inexpensive AR, do it. I seriously do not care a bit. But do not say there is no difference. That's incorrect, and will receive a reaction here.

    If you are not buying life support gear, it does not matter what you buy. If you are, it does. Buy your DPMS and have a blast. But it's not the same quality as a Colt, Noveske, DD, KAC or BCM, and you mislead people when you say that it is.

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    Serious Student-as always-worded it better than I
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    Quote Originally Posted by SeriousStudent View Post
    If I may?

    In some cases, "support after the sale" may not be as useful as excellent function of a tool or device.

    Parachutes, fire extinguishers, disk brakes, self defense firearms and manned space craft come to mind.

    Whilst plummeting earthward at terminal velocity (remembering that "terminal" has several meanings) I'd prefer my parachute to deploy exactly as I wish it to. Thinking that "Gosh, those splendid fellows at Acme Parachute and Coyote Supply will fix this gem if it fails" is not a thought I care to entertain.

    And I am sure the lads at Thiokol were great guys, but the awesome warranty did not help the folks on the Challenger.

    Some things are worth paying for, to get right the first time.

    I've had firearms and tools from BCM, Colt, Noveske, LMT and others. Honestly, I have no idea what their customer service is like. I've never needed it.

    Every maker has issues - absolutely true. But a good company will have much fewer issues out the gate, and correspondingly fewer issues to repair.

    If you want to buy an inexpensive AR, do it. I seriously do not care a bit. But do not say there is no difference. That's incorrect, and will receive a reaction here.

    If you are not buying life support gear, it does not matter what you buy. If you are, it does. Buy your DPMS and have a blast. But it's not the same quality as a Colt, Noveske, DD, KAC or BCM, and don't mislead people that it is.

    Good point. I don't cheap out on my guns. I actually need My AR to work. So I started testing it before betting my life on it. Every gun should be tested before you use it for real. People bashed my choice to let my builder use YHM parts. They made me doubt my rifle and purchase but I'm happy now after testing. I did test it out 4 times at the range before making my decision to keep it.

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    You have no real idea what you are talking about. I suggest that you read more. The point you are missing is that these companies have PROVEN over time that they cannot consistently build a proper AR or make parts within spec.

    Firing a few rounds isn't going to reveal Jack S. Hit. Run a class, get the gun going and you will start to see the issues. I have seen them time and time again over the years. I saw it in the U.S and I saw it overseas.

    Quote Originally Posted by maw1777 View Post
    People bash lower priced guns to justify their exorbitant spending on theirs.

    DPMS will fix your problematic rifles. A sportical is bare bones and should run 100%. materials don't affect reliability, only long term use or abuse etc.

    Every manufacturer has problems. Especially Glocks. Gen 4 release was a fiasco. Gen 3 40s malfunction with light attachments. Etc. The thing that matters is customer service.



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    Dpms gives dealers the best markup. So the shops are flooded with them. You're a shop and have no liability to your products' quality. You get offered100 dpms rifles with a 500$ markup vs 50 bcm with 200$ markup, you'll buy the dpms and make 50,000$ net profits. There's no point to stock BCM etc

    Consumers have to demand better quality and it doesn't look like they are en masse. People who care will search out better alternatives.

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    Quote Originally Posted by maw1777 View Post
    People bash lower priced guns to justify their exorbitant spending on theirs.

    DPMS will fix your problematic rifles. A sportical is bare bones and should run 100%. materials don't affect reliability, only long term use or abuse etc.

    Every manufacturer has problems. Especially Glocks. Gen 4 release was a fiasco. Gen 3 40s malfunction with light attachments. Etc. The thing that matters is customer service.
    Do you honestly think you are in any sort of a position to make intelligent comments on the subject?

    You have no ****ing clue what you are talking about, and your ignorant comment about material selection only completely vindicates the fact. The issues run way deeper than mere usage of sub-standard materials.

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    Quote Originally Posted by decodeddiesel View Post
    Do you honestly think you are in any sort of a position to make intelligent comments on the subject?

    You have no ****ing clue what you are talking about, and your ignorant comment about material selection only completely vindicates the fact. The issues run way deeper than mere usage of sub-standard materials.

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    If your bolt was not mpi tested it won't affect reliability, only the quality control which dpms will make right if something goes wrong. That was my point. I don't own a DPMS and I would not buy a DPMS. I just think the bashing of these common low end brands is psychological more so than people caring about quality for actual life or death use.
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    As I stated before. You have no CLUE what you are talking about. If I break a bolt I can almost guarantee they will not replace it.

    Substandard parts will in fact make a big difference. I had to remove some DPMS FSB's and the pins were so soft that they actually started to mushroom and bend when I drove them out.

    Unfortunately this was in Iraq and they weren't going to send me anything. In addition I wouldn't have used any of their shit because I had no confidence in them. In addition almost every single carbine experienced FTE's due to tight chambers.

    Quote Originally Posted by maw1777 View Post
    If your bolt was not mpi tested it won't affect reliability, only the quality control which dpms will make right if something goes wrong. That was my point. I don't own a DPMS and I would not buy a DPMS. I just think the bashing of these common low end brands is psychological more so than people caring about quality for actual life or death use.



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