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It wasn't military, it was contracting and it's because MORONS think that all black rifles are the same and all AR's are the same. Then the bean counters look at numbers and purchase them based on the dollar amount.
Guess what? I see it here also. Last week in my class at SGC about half the class had carrier keys what were not torqued and staked correctly. I have seen everything from out of spec lowers, out of spec tubes, hammers missing "J" springs, non-staked castle nuts, carrier key screws, out of spec chambers, etc... to last a lifetime.
And it's always the same piece of shit offenders- Bushmaster, Oly Arms, DPMS, WW, Del-ton, etc...
As I stated before. You don't know what you don't know. And the worse part is that many of these craptastic pieces of crap are within 150-200.00 of what a good solid proven carbine would cost.
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Maw, IG is the last person you want to be arguing AR's with. Like mentioned previously you might want to stay in your lane.
Sub-standard materials/parts = sub-standard quality = sub-standard reliability.
That is more than just a fact, it is an absolute. It would be like Gomer jumping out of a window thinking he can defy the laws of physics.
I want to take a MRE spoon sharpened from a hookers snatch and stab myself in the eye everytime I see or hear someone say AR's are all the same.
Last edited by Endur; 07-24-13 at 05:24.
Welcome to M4C. There's a lot of good reading to do here that will help you get up to speed on what trends in manufacture and assembly mean in the field. There are indeed differences, and they matter.
As an example... When I unboxed my current working rifle, a Colt AR6720, I put 2053 rounds through it in ~3 hours after only lubricating it and filling it with ammunition. Unboxing a stack of DPMS rifles, several would not go the ~300rds needed to complete a basic orientation session. DPMS was responsive, but that was of little use when the guns needed to hit the road. I've repeated those events with other examples, with approximately the same outcome and few exceptions.
Short: Buy cheap, buy twice.
Buy what you wish. I have no financial gain in any transaction you make, and you aren't watching my six. But don't be fooled.
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I don't understand how you can possibly say materials don't effect reliability? That makes no sense. Use cheap, substandard materials, you will get substandard reliability. You expect a bolt made of weaker steel to last as long as one that is made of harder steel and been mpi/hpt?
When I was younger and didn't know jack sh!t about the quality of different ARs, I built one with a DPMS LPK. One day I was cleaning and fooling around with it after a day at the range with a buddy, and he sent the hammer up without the upper on the rifle. The attached picture was the result. Maybe not the smartest thing in the world to do, but I now run a DD and thank him regularly for breaking that DPMS part.
Moral of the story- IMO confidence in your equipment is half the battle. I am 100% confident in the quality of my DD. With all the crappy opinions (and proof) of the quality of DPMS stuff, why bother with it?
PS- This was only 3 years ago. So I'm sure the quality is currently the same.
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Last edited by ginzomatic; 07-24-13 at 11:48.
Had something similar happen. When replacing the components of a DPMS lower, I found a broken trigger pin during the process of replacing the stock FCG with an ALG ACT - the gun was apparently brand new at the time. Needless to say that was all I needed to know about the quality of DPMS lower parts.
Last edited by Boba Fett v2; 07-24-13 at 21:10. Reason: Original post looked like it was written by a third grader. Grammar fixed.
seller: "it was crappy yesterday, crappy the day before. guess what? hasnt changed"
buyer: " i'll have the DPMS"
seller: no crust?
buyer: no crust.....
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