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    Quote Originally Posted by Iraqgunz View Post
    As I stated before. You have no CLUE what you are talking about. If I break a bolt I can almost guarantee they will not replace it.

    Substandard parts will in fact make a big difference. I had to remove some DPMS FSB's and the pins were so soft that they actually started to mushroom and bend when I drove them out.

    Unfortunately this was in Iraq and they weren't going to send me anything. In addition I wouldn't have used any of their shit because I had no confidence in them. In addition almost every single carbine experienced FTE's due to tight chambers.
    I can't speak for Military field use. I don't know why you'd be using DPMS in a military setting. That's unsettling for sure.

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    It wasn't military, it was contracting and it's because MORONS think that all black rifles are the same and all AR's are the same. Then the bean counters look at numbers and purchase them based on the dollar amount.

    Guess what? I see it here also. Last week in my class at SGC about half the class had carrier keys what were not torqued and staked correctly. I have seen everything from out of spec lowers, out of spec tubes, hammers missing "J" springs, non-staked castle nuts, carrier key screws, out of spec chambers, etc... to last a lifetime.

    And it's always the same piece of shit offenders- Bushmaster, Oly Arms, DPMS, WW, Del-ton, etc...

    As I stated before. You don't know what you don't know. And the worse part is that many of these craptastic pieces of crap are within 150-200.00 of what a good solid proven carbine would cost.

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    I can't speak for Military field use. I don't know why you'd be using DPMS in a military setting. That's unsettling for sure.



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    Maw, IG is the last person you want to be arguing AR's with. Like mentioned previously you might want to stay in your lane.

    Sub-standard materials/parts = sub-standard quality = sub-standard reliability.

    That is more than just a fact, it is an absolute. It would be like Gomer jumping out of a window thinking he can defy the laws of physics.

    I want to take a MRE spoon sharpened from a hookers snatch and stab myself in the eye everytime I see or hear someone say AR's are all the same.
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    Quote Originally Posted by maw1777 View Post
    People bash lower priced guns to justify their exorbitant spending on theirs.

    DPMS will fix your problematic rifles. A sportical is bare bones and should run 100%. materials don't affect reliability, only long term use or abuse etc.
    Welcome to M4C. There's a lot of good reading to do here that will help you get up to speed on what trends in manufacture and assembly mean in the field. There are indeed differences, and they matter.

    As an example... When I unboxed my current working rifle, a Colt AR6720, I put 2053 rounds through it in ~3 hours after only lubricating it and filling it with ammunition. Unboxing a stack of DPMS rifles, several would not go the ~300rds needed to complete a basic orientation session. DPMS was responsive, but that was of little use when the guns needed to hit the road. I've repeated those events with other examples, with approximately the same outcome and few exceptions.

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    What's the current state of DPMS rifles?

    I don't understand how you can possibly say materials don't effect reliability? That makes no sense. Use cheap, substandard materials, you will get substandard reliability. You expect a bolt made of weaker steel to last as long as one that is made of harder steel and been mpi/hpt?

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    When I was younger and didn't know jack sh!t about the quality of different ARs, I built one with a DPMS LPK. One day I was cleaning and fooling around with it after a day at the range with a buddy, and he sent the hammer up without the upper on the rifle. The attached picture was the result. Maybe not the smartest thing in the world to do, but I now run a DD and thank him regularly for breaking that DPMS part.

    Moral of the story- IMO confidence in your equipment is half the battle. I am 100% confident in the quality of my DD. With all the crappy opinions (and proof) of the quality of DPMS stuff, why bother with it?

    PS- This was only 3 years ago. So I'm sure the quality is currently the same.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ginzomatic View Post
    When I was younger and didn't know jack sh!t about the quality of different ARs, I built one with a DPMS LPK. One day I was cleaning and fooling around with it after a day at the range with a buddy, and he sent the hammer up without the upper on the rifle. The attached picture was the result. Maybe not the smartest thing in the world to do, but I now run a DD and thank him regularly for breaking that DPMS part.

    Moral of the story- IMO confidence in your equipment is half the battle. I am 100% confident in the quality of my DD. With all the crappy opinions (and proof) of the quality of DPMS stuff, why bother with it?

    PS- This was only 3 years ago. So I'm sure the quality is currently the same.

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    Had something similar happen. When replacing the components of a DPMS lower, I found a broken trigger pin during the process of replacing the stock FCG with an ALG ACT - the gun was apparently brand new at the time. Needless to say that was all I needed to know about the quality of DPMS lower parts.
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    Crap.

    They recently submitted for the Chilean titanium competition as well as a number of other manuf.

    DPMS did not even compete as they did not pass the initial inspection lol.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Iraqgunz View Post
    This is 2012. The world is going to end this December and people are still trying to debate the merits of piece of shit, cost cutting crap AR's. Really?

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    Quote Originally Posted by AFshirt View Post
    Im curious what you saw. I've never owned a DPMS but I've never been able to talk anyone out of getting one either. Specific failure points would make for a good argument.
    The issue I have with my AP4 upper is the serious overgassing. I'd bet you could get TULA to run with an H3 in this thing.

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    seller: "it was crappy yesterday, crappy the day before. guess what? hasnt changed"

    buyer: " i'll have the DPMS"

    seller: no crust?

    buyer: no crust.....


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