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    Quote Originally Posted by SigSlave View Post
    A handguard is a piece of aluminum. There is no reason to charge 300-400 dollars for one no matter who made it.

    I do not skimp on parts for the rifles I have built. Having said that, I would never pay more than 200 for a handguard so I can see where he is coming from.
    You are not paying for a just a piece of aluminum. Don't forget to tally on marketing, R&D, quality control ect..

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    Interesting perspective. Do you even have a clue what it takes to make a rail?

    The cost of aluminum, CNC machines that have to be bought and paid for, employees, electricity, insurance, etc... etc...

    Quote Originally Posted by SigSlave View Post
    A handguard is a piece of aluminum. There is no reason to charge 300-400 dollars for one no matter who made it.

    I do not skimp on parts for the rifles I have built. Having said that, I would never pay more than 200 for a handguard so I can see where he is coming from.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Iraqgunz View Post
    Interesting perspective. Do you even have a clue what it takes to make a rail?

    The cost of aluminum, CNC machines that have to be bought and paid for, employees, electricity, insurance, etc... etc...
    Having worked for 1 firearms manufacturer for 3 years and currently working for another one, I think I have a pretty good idea of what goes into making parts.

    After all that, it is still just a piece of aluminum. There are far more machining processes needed to machine a lower and those are only 90 bucks. Handguard prices are so high because people will pay it.

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    I agree with Stickman. I am steering clear of this thread any longer.



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    Quote Originally Posted by SigSlave View Post
    Having worked for 1 firearms manufacturer for 3 years and currently working for another one, I think I have a pretty good idea of what goes into making parts.

    After all that, it is still just a piece of aluminum. There are far more machining processes needed to machine a lower and those are only 90 bucks. Handguard prices are so high because people will pay it.
    By that logic your rifles shouldn't cost more than $400. I mean, it's only aluminum and plastic.
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    I'd like to learn more about the magnesium alloy that is being used for this product. I have gathered it is lighter than the aluminum offerings. How does it compare in the area of strength?

    From what I have been able to find on the internet, it sounds like these magnesium alloys are a relatively newer technology and that significant obstacles had to be addressed before it became viable.

    Obviously BCM has not told us exactly what material will be used to make this product, but what do others know about magnesium alloys in this type of application?

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    Quote Originally Posted by SigSlave View Post
    Having worked for 1 firearms manufacturer for 3 years and currently working for another one, I think I have a pretty good idea of what goes into making parts.

    After all that, it is still just a piece of aluminum. There are far more machining processes needed to machine a lower and those are only 90 bucks. Handguard prices are so high because people will pay it.
    seems like a terrible analogy to me, and a terrible way to introduce yourself to a couple of the most knowledgeable members of this forum (stick and Iraq have been contributing longer than you've worked for your "1 firearms manufacturer" whatever that means).

    you're not just paying for the material, you're paying for the time, research, testing, and engineering that went into developing a NEW product, not some lower receiver that has been produced the same way for decades.

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    Quote Originally Posted by avengd7x View Post
    seems like a terrible analogy to me, and a terrible way to introduce yourself to a couple of the most knowledgeable members of this forum (stick and Iraq have been contributing longer than you've worked for your "1 firearms manufacturer" whatever that means).

    you're not just paying for the material, you're paying for the time, research, testing, and engineering that went into developing a NEW product, not some lower receiver that has been produced the same way for decades.
    Designing a handguard isn't like inventing the jet engine. It's a piece of metal, usually aluminum, that is machined into a shape. Does it really need to be 3-400 dollars? How many R&D hours could possibly justify a 400 dollar tube shaped piece of metal?

    This is by no means a knock on BCM, I'm sure their product will be as great as all their other parts. My comments are about free float handguards in general. How revolutionary can a tube of metal be to justify a 3-400 price tag?

    ETA: To those of you that work for BCM posting here and the OP, I'm sorry if my comments are derailing this thread about what will undoubtedly be another amazing BCM product. My comments were solely meant to let Stickman know that there are many folks, myself included, that think that handguard prices are a little insane for what they are and the poster's comment that I was defending wasn't completely out of line like Stickman would have us believe.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SigSlave View Post
    Designing a handguard isn't like inventing the jet engine. It's a piece of metal, usually aluminum, that is machined into a shape. Does it really need to be 3-400 dollars? How many R&D hours could possibly justify a 400 dollar tube shaped piece of metal?

    This is by no means a knock on BCM, I'm sure their product will be as great as all their other parts. My comments are about free float handguards in general. How revolutionary can a tube of metal be to justify a 3-400 price tag?

    ETA: To those of you that work for BCM posting here and the OP, I'm sorry if my comments are derailing this thread about what will undoubtedly be another amazing BCM product. My comments were solely meant to let Stickman know that there are many folks, myself included, that think that handguard prices are a little insane for what they are and the poster's comment that I was defending wasn't completely out of line like Stickman would have us believe.
    Not hard at all. Let us know when your comparable product hits the market at 50% the cost and steals the show.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZINCOGNITO View Post
    By that logic your rifles shouldn't cost more than $400. I mean, it's only aluminum and plastic.
    No, because it takes a ton more R&D to design a firearm with moving parts than it does to design a tube of metal.

    If you guys want to continue paying absurd amounts of money for a tube, more power to you.

    Out of respect for BCM, I'm done posting in this thread. I will say one thing before I go. I hope BCM can keep this product in the 200 dollar range too.

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