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    Someone may have already mentioned this... if so, pardon the duplicity.

    One issue with caseless ammo, as a weapon designer, is that as anyone that has ever taken an ejected case down the front of your shirt knows... each expended case takes with it a great deal of heat from the weapon; they are like litte disposable heat sinks.

    If you eliminate the cases removing the heat, you still have to deal with how to get rid of that heat.
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    Quote Originally Posted by K.L. Davis View Post
    Someone may have already mentioned this... if so, pardon the duplicity.

    One issue with caseless ammo, as a weapon designer, is that as anyone that has ever taken an ejected case down the front of your shirt knows... each expended case takes with it a great deal of heat from the weapon; they are like litte disposable heat sinks.

    If you eliminate the cases removing the heat, you still have to deal with how to get rid of that heat.
    I have heard this, I also wonder just how they work suppressed which is a big part of the special forces side of things.

    Not to mention the action seems complicated and bulky for a carbine, LMG? sure, but a carbine not so much.
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    My opinion only, nothing else revolutionary will come out of the current M4/AR15 platform without a new type of ammunition as many have previously mentioned.

    Look at the current tire design for comparison; we are still using the same concept for what, more than a century now? Unless it is completely revolutionalized (like air-less run-flat type rubber which have already come out as prototypes) and adopted by all major car and tire manufacturers, we will still have the same tire with minimal improvements within the next decade or so.

    To me, newer rifles like the SCAR16/17 and Bushmaster ACR are the way to go. Heck even the Kriss Vector subgun in a rifle caliber with improved ergos and overall function might be a different but interesting option. Bullpups like the Tavor are nice and all, but unless it is adopted and fielded by the US Mil as well it will never come into majority acceptance as M4's did. Just my 2c...
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    After reading the provided links,it appears the caseless technology is a little more advanced than I thought. Still think we have a ways to go yet,though. Thanks for the links.Interesting.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JusticeM4 View Post
    My opinion only, nothing else revolutionary will come out of the current M4/AR15 platform without a new type of ammunition as many have previously mentioned.

    Look at the current tire design for comparison; we are still using the same concept for what, more than a century now? Unless it is completely revolutionalized (like air-less run-flat type rubber which have already come out as prototypes) and adopted by all major car and tire manufacturers, we will still have the same tire with minimal improvements within the next decade or so.

    To me, newer rifles like the SCAR16/17 and Bushmaster ACR are the way to go. Heck even the Kriss Vector subgun in a rifle caliber with improved ergos and overall function might be a different but interesting option. Bullpups like the Tavor are nice and all, but unless it is adopted and fielded by the US Mil as well it will never come into majority acceptance as M4's did. Just my 2c...
    We have also been using the same propellants in our cases for the last 100 years-nitrocellulose based. I think the next big thing in firearms developement will be other chemicals used that will give the same pressures but using much smaller quanities. This will allow for case reduction and maybe even polymer cases. Also, don't forget that polymers have come a long ways in the last few years. They are finding much use in the aerospace industry. They are starting to be used more in firearms and one of these days some company will get it right (do for rifles what Glock did for handguns).
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    Quote Originally Posted by tog View Post
    Also, don't forget that polymers have come a long ways in the last few years. They are finding much use in the aerospace industry. They are starting to be used more in firearms and one of these days some company will get it right (do for rifles what Glock did for handguns).
    I find it fascinating that Glock was not the first polymer framed pistol. It was the H&K VP 70. I guess you could say that Glock's timing was better. (many would say the pistol too) I also remember when Interarms first imported the A1 AUG's. Most freaked out over the use of polymers........even in the trigger and hammer pack.
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    I have a feeling that material selection will be a big deal going forward. Not just polymers, but also new metal alloys. As long as strength and reliability aren't affected, I am all for it.

    I personally would like to see a elegant, robust, reliable way to run longer VLDs in the platform without hand feeding. And, I'd also like to see the use of new materials to make accurized rifles and optics lighter without sacrificing strength, accuracy, and reliability.

    But, going by my own idea of revolutionary, the next step seems to be a new way to propel projectiles.

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