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    Quote Originally Posted by .46caliber View Post
    I was thinking the same thing yesterday.

    I think it could, but I also think it will have to match the AR's modularity, dependability and it might need some Armed Forces adoption before it really catches.
    The QBZ-95 bullpup is being adopted by one of the largest armed forces in the world right now...........the Chinese. At the last big gun show in my town, I was amazed at all the bullpup configurations. Big bore bolt actions, pump and semi auto shotguns, Keltec's RFB, the Tavors, two new AUG variations, strange looking Saiga 12 bullpups, kits that turn 22's into bullpups and others that I still have not seen.

    I realize that with bullpups there seems to be no in between. You either love em' or hate em'. I fall into the first catagory. But you have to agree.........they are more popular now then they have ever been and the shooting public (and militaries) are starting to see their unique advantages.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sr71plane View Post
    The QBZ-95 bullpup is being adopted by one of the largest armed forces in the world right now...........the Chinese. At the last big gun show in my town, I was amazed at all the bullpup configurations. Big bore bolt actions, pump and semi auto shotguns, Keltec's RFB, the Tavors, two new AUG variations, strange looking Saiga 12 bullpups, kits that turn 22's into bullpups and others that I still have not seen.

    I realize that with bullpups there seems to be no in between. You either love em' or hate em'. I fall into the first catagory. But you have to agree.........they are more popular now then they have ever been and the shooting public (and militaries) are starting to see their unique advantages.
    Yet the chinese SF use M4's......or well M4 clones.
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    This is 2012. The world is going to end this December and people are still trying to debate the merits of piece of shit, cost cutting crap AR's. Really?

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    Got to thinking(wow,a new revelation) on the subject of caseless ammo. If we're talking conventional projectiles here rather that something from Star wars,there would still have to be a propellant. Without a case the propellant would have to be something entirely new,or if using a conventional powder it would have to be tightly bonded together in some way.and very hard.
    I suppose a primer could imbed in the concoction,but where would the primer go upon firing? All of the propellant would have to burn thoroughly to avoid any buildup that could increase pressures to dangerous levels.
    A mixture that could be fired electrically without a conventional primer would make the most sense. The developement and research would take so long that we would probably never live to see it.
    Then there are the years that it would take to prove the weapon system reliable. The time it has taken since Vietnam to improve on the AR type platform to the point where it is America's gun is a perfect example. Hmm.All this thinkin' that I ain't used to has made me tired.I think I'll stick to my Colts and take a nap.
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    On the subject of caseless ammo...

    http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heckler_%26_Koch_G11

    Whatever happened to the H&K G11?

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    Answered my own question...

    Military LSAT program
    http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/LSAT_light_machine_gun
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    It would be hard to say. What is wrong with the [M4] AR? Fairly reliable and low cost! It is not keeping people from signing up to their favorite branch of the military.... I will say the AR hasn't changed much from its basic design which says how good the design is.. Improved yes maybe even perfected. Seems the other designs that have tried to replace the AR [M4] haven't really been enough of an improvement to make the change. For example the FN SCAR in 5.56 isn't enough of an improvement for me to change . But a FN SCAR in 308 would be an improvement over the M14 [maybe]
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    Quote Originally Posted by sr71plane View Post
    The QBZ-95 bullpup is being adopted by one of the largest armed forces in the world right now...........the Chinese. At the last big gun show in my town, I was amazed at all the bullpup configurations. Big bore bolt actions, pump and semi auto shotguns, Keltec's RFB, the Tavors, two new AUG variations, strange looking Saiga 12 bullpups, kits that turn 22's into bullpups and others that I still have not seen.

    I realize that with bullpups there seems to be no in between. You either love em' or hate em'. I fall into the first catagory. But you have to agree.........they are more popular now then they have ever been and the shooting public (and militaries) are starting to see their unique advantages.
    Like them or hate them they have their uses. Compact!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Koshinn View Post
    Take a SR-15 E3 Mod1, add a raptor, pistol grip of choice, sling, light, laser, and a 1-6x and you're pretty much good to go. Effective from 2-500m, both day and night, with a light weight, reliable, accurate weapon with ambidextrous controls.
    Yep. Pretty much.

    Aside from ergonomics and aesthetics, we've seen an evolution of the platform with regards to different materials being used, from titanium to carbon fiber. Subsequently, an evolution in the manufacturing process as well. We've succeeded in squeezing as much accuracy as we can out of the platform, but have we really reached the limits on what we could achieve in terms of durability/reliability? The quality of individual parts are certainly there, and there are manufactures who do not cut corners when it comes to QC. I'd like to see a wide adaptation of KAC's E3 bolt system and LMT's monolithic upper receivers with interchangeable barrel capability, as well as ambidextrous controls being the standard among the top tier manufactures. While I do not doubt the AR platform will achieve venerable legendary status (if not already there) I think we will continue to see it evolve incrementally for a few more years. Perhaps we'll see lightweight integrated optics being the next thing - definitely must be more compact and lightweight than the OICW concept. Imagine an AR with a built in sighting system cable of 1-6x magnification, with 800 meter ranging capability, and an illuminated reticle without the use of batteries, but as compact and fast as an Aimpoint H1/T1. ---> Yeah, they're called iron sights. Lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by skijunkie55 View Post
    On the subject of caseless ammo...

    http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heckler_%26_Koch_G11

    Whatever happened to the H&K G11?

    Edit*
    Answered my own question...

    Military LSAT program
    http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/LSAT_light_machine_gun
    Yes, that is it. Might as well add this too: http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caseless_ammunition

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    Quote Originally Posted by sinlessorrow View Post
    Yet the chinese SF use M4's......or well M4 clones.
    Or they just want us to think that they do. Or they just use them abroad due to parts commonality and ammunition availability outside the People's Republic.

    Although I suppose they might have a PRCAR-15 in 5.8x42mm (maybe even taking QBZ-95 magazines) for actual use.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fjallhrafn View Post
    Or they just want us to think that they do. Or they just use them abroad due to parts commonality and ammunition availability outside the People's Republic.

    Although I suppose they might have a PRCAR-15 in 5.8x42mm (maybe even taking QBZ-95 magazines) for actual use.
    Really? They have been seen using them, and they are not American made ones, but Chinese made M4A1's.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Iraqgunz View Post
    This is 2012. The world is going to end this December and people are still trying to debate the merits of piece of shit, cost cutting crap AR's. Really?

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