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    A few things that come to mind on why people might not buy in to the advice are claims from the past concerning Colt stuff.

    Used to be common to claim Colt magazines were better than other USGI contract mags including Universal, Colt promoters used to ridicule anyone desiring standardized parts when Colt had front screws instead of front take down pins and so on, it was a bit hard to buy performance claims when the same people making them were peddling 20-30 year old SP1's that had not had a round fired through them since leaving the factory and there were quite a few of those floating around, and during that time there was a fairly large price difference to get a Colt with proprietary parts versus something else with readily available parts. There are also plenty of people who view the proprietary parts in the same light as they did S&W entering in to the agreement with the feds & Bill Ruger showing his true colors testifying in front of congress and while the folks running those shows are no longer around, many people still view those companies negatively.

    Now all of that has changed for the better, but keep in mind there are still some people around that can recall that era quite well.
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    Don't think the one article you seek exists.
    If you must have it....
    I would take the time to do what most researchers do...
    that is, put together information from a collection of reliable sources and articles.
    This is the hard part, differentiating between opinions, wisdow,and facts.
    Then assemble your own "fact sheet" to have a one point source for trying to work with un-informed and biased AR owners or prospective owners. (Obviously ref. the sources.) The quality of your sources will at least prove to you that this information is accurate and true to the best of your ability.

    Our "social media" crazed society places too much value on everyones opinion or statements on twitter or facebook as being important and/or factual.

    If people don't listen to wisdom, logic, experience, ect., then at some point, we should stop wasting our time.

    Quote Originally Posted by Todd00000 View Post
    On other forums I try to educate people that ask about ARs and I send them here first. Of course a slew of people jump in saying Stag is just as good as Colt, or Colt is overrated, etc. etc.

    Is there a definitive article that explains the differences between top tier and hobby ARs?
    Last edited by LostinKY; 08-04-13 at 10:33. Reason: splg

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    Quote Originally Posted by JasonB1 View Post
    A few things that come to mind on why people might not buy in to the advice are claims from the past concerning Colt stuff.
    The people I've tried to educate don't know the history of anything. LOL

    Quote Originally Posted by LostinKY View Post
    Don't think the one article you seek exists.
    If you must have it....
    I would take the time to do what most researchers do...
    that is, put together information from a collection of reliable sources and articles.
    This is the hard part, differentiating between opinions, wisdow,and facts.
    Then assemble your own "fact sheet" to have a one point source for trying to work with un-informed and biased AR owners or prospective owners. (Obviously ref. the sources.) The quality of your sources will at least prove to you that this information is accurate and true to the best of your ability.

    Our "social media" crazed society places too much value on everyones opinion or statements on twitter or facebook as being important and/or factual.

    If people don't listen to wisdom, logic, experience, ect., then at some point, we should stop wasting our time.
    Does anyone have the yellow-hat spread sheet? That was almost enough for most facts based people.
    Todd
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    Quote Originally Posted by LostinKY View Post
    Our "social media" crazed society places too much value on everyones opinion or statements on twitter or facebook as being important and/or factual.
    Unfortunately very true. Also, 'What does the reality star, that became famous for her sex video, think?'

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    Quote Originally Posted by Todd00000 View Post
    The people I've tried to educate don't know the history of anything. LOL


    Does anyone have the yellow-hat spread sheet? That was almost enough for most facts based people.
    The chart is not being maintained but there are some good resources on his page.
    http://www.tacticalyellowvisor.net/charts

    Old link to the chart:
    https://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?...=5&output=html

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    Honestly in my experience an article would not help. On most other forums I have been on a lot of people when they ask about ARs and what to look for and what is good are only looking for people to stroke their ego because they have already bought a brand that they assume is good. That or they think all are the same, lower end are still good enough, or any number of other things. The usual responses end up being one line answer that are worthless, guys going AKs are best, or non answers. If you come and as I have and do a real break down either the idiots bitch because its a page and a half long, ou use words that require a dictionary, and they sure as hell don't know what a TDP is but won't look it up because that is so un-cool. Basically if they don't want to know they won't learn and continue to fail so I've given up even bothering answering or other forums since the same questions pop up twice a week and I just don't have the time to try to educate people.

    A couple years ago when PSA started making their own rifles I had briefly looked at one of their uppers and posted on another forum to see if anyone had one. I asked pointedly if anyone had one with which they had run an appreciable amount of rounds through and what kinds of performance they had gotten. I got several claiming that the uppers were great and that they had no issues with them. After asking repeatedly what their round counts were all who had responded with the uppers being so great, 100%, ect, ect replied that they had between 9-50 rounds through their uppers. They promptly got pissed when I replied that their data was useless and asked if anyone had one with 500 or more rounds through their uppers. Never did buy a damn PSA upper, of course at this point I am likely not going to buy an upper below BCM on the quality scale of things.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AMMOTECH View Post
    The chart is not being maintained but there are some good resources on his page.
    http://www.tacticalyellowvisor.net/charts

    Old link to the chart:
    https://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?...=5&output=html

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    Thanks, I'm hoping someone saved the chart is all.

    The guy I was trying to educate virtually ignored everything I told him. I really have to stop with these **** nuts.
    Todd
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    Quote Originally Posted by Todd00000 View Post
    On other forums I try to educate people that ask about ARs and I send them here first. Of course a slew of people jump in saying Stag is just as good as Colt, or Colt is overrated, etc. etc.

    Is there a definitive article that explains the differences between top tier and hobby ARs?
    I have become a jaded jerk on the topic. I admit it. I respect those willing to make the effort, but I spend my professional time already trying to educate people on a topic of endless of confusion.

    "What AR should I get?"

    "Stick to these brands and you should be GTG"

    "Why?"

    "Because people who know a sh%$ load more about the topic than you or I will ever know say so"

    I know, not helpful. But, know your lane and be good at that, find people who know what they are talking about, and listen to them to save yourself years of wasted time and$$$.

    That's my approach. When I first came to M4C I had a clunky BM that served me OK, but I read up, asked Qs, did some research, etc, and "took yes for an answer" and got what I knew was generally approved by those who research such things for a living.
    Last edited by WillBrink; 08-04-13 at 12:17.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Todd00000 View Post
    The guy I was trying to educate virtually ignored everything I told him. I really have to stop with these **** nuts.

    Some men you just can't reach.

    I was known to talk to anyone and everyone about this subject. I am very select about whom I try to educate now. I always take time out for the guys that say "remember you're using weapons made by the lowest bidder".

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    It's like trying to argue quality anything...tools, tents, knives, boots, bikes, beer. Some guys just don't want to take the time to research and educate themselves. Its all about whatever is cheap.

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