Help me decide TA31RCO-M4 or T-1/Magnifier

[Boba Fett v2]

Just out of curiousity, Failure2Stop, since you mentioned the RMR, how do you rate that type of system? Would the RMR be a little better option than the T1 at one o'clock? Or, would the 1x6 with illumination be the best of all worlds. Just trying to make some good decisions myself. Thanks

I know you're not asking me, but personally, WRT an off-set RDS, I'd go with the RMR. Best of all worlds would probably be a 1-6x and an off-set micro RDS.

[Txbadge]

No, I appreciate the input. As I said before, I have two Gen II Vortex 1x6 on my 308s. They are built like tanks and I could get another for my SBR but had thought of an ACOG and RMR or T1 to compliment it. I am certainly very familar with the reticle and operation of the 1x6 was just thinking this may be overkill on the SBR, however, the SBR (along with suppessor) is my go everywhere carbine.

[Failure2Stop]

Just out of curiousity, Failure2Stop, since you mentioned the RMR, how do you rate that type of system? Would the RMR be a little better option than the T1 at one o'clock? Or, would the 1x6 with illumination be the best of all worlds. Just trying to make some good decisions myself. Thanks

Piggy-Back and Offset both have advantages and disadvantages.
Biggest issue with piggyback is the "chin-weld" requirement in standard positions. However, this con is a pro when it comes to alternate/expedient/improvised positions and when using equipment that can make cheek weld difficult (ridiculous body armor, face shields, gas-masks, etc).

The draw-back of the offset sights is that support-side use and close to ground positions (think roll-over prone, turkish bath-house and the like) are more difficult.

Whichever one you choose, you need to spend enough time doing presentations that habitually the gun snaps up with the dot on target, not the COG. Lots of people leave this out of their training regiment with the alternate line of sight optics and wind up trying to fight someone at close range through their COG, which sucks in conditions that frequently exist in actual violent confrontations.

[Txbadge]

Of course I understand what your saying and intend to spend much time training with the system I choose. I also understand both systems have pros and cons. I suppose, since I am not concerned any longer with gas masks etc, my question is more of which system would you prefer? I was thinking the T1 may be a more robust set up. There is the DD one o'clock mount for it as well as a LaRue offset mount for it. I am getting older and retired federal law enforcement and realize the red dot is only good for me as a close range option as I need a magnified option for 100 hundred out. The COG would be used in this role probably not past a couple of hundred yards. If I need distance I have other systems for that. I appreciate your thoughts and patience.

[Failure2Stop]

Of course I understand what your saying and intend to spend much time training with the system I choose. I also understand both systems have pros and cons. I suppose, since I am not concerned any longer with gas masks etc, my question is more of which system would you prefer? I was thinking the T1 may be a more robust set up. There is the DD one o'clock mount for it as well as a LaRue offset mount for it. I am getting older and retired federal law enforcement and realize the red dot is only good for me as a close range option as I need a magnified option for 100 hundred out. The COG would be used in this role probably not past a couple of hundred yards. If I need distance I have other systems for that. I appreciate your thoughts and patience.

For an SBR I'd probably prefer a T1 with a magnifier if a low-powered variable was out of the question.

Pretty much the only time that I recommend a piggy-backed or offset mini-red dot is when the user is issued the optic and they are stuck with what they are given.

[Txbadge]

I appreciate the input. Got it.

[cop1211]

I've talked to several Marine grunts who have served in Iraq, and Afghanistan and asked them about the 4x ACOG. They all said they were happy with it and didn't think it was a hinderence.

I asked them if they would rather have an Aimpoint or Eotech and they all said they would rather have the ACOG.

If they 4x ACOG has so many issues why after it being fielded for so long by the USMC-Army would they continue to buy them?

They've certainly had enough time to evaluate them in combat.

Why haven't they gone to Aimpoint-EOTECH , or a variable scope?

I've got 7 rifles and have been through more optics then I care to admit. Currently I have 6 Aimpoints and 1 ACOG TA31 RCO 150 G.

While I like the Aimpoints more for 50 and under, the ACOG doesn't present any issues at that distance.

And for anything over 75 yards I like the ACOG.

The choice of an optic is the most personal piece of gear you can purchase.

Just seems the ACOG 4x is getting slammed a little to hard.

Again your mileage my vary, and it takes more time to get proficient up close with the ACOG 4x it can be done with a little work.

Every optic has its pluses and minuses, just depends on what you want the optic to do for you and your requirements with the rifle.

Again for me and my use, if I had to grab one of my rifles it would be one with an Aimpoint, but if the only one available would be the one with the ACOG I would be fine with that.

[Failure2Stop]

I've talked to several Marine grunts who have served in Iraq, and Afghanistan and asked them about the 4x ACOG. They all said they were happy with it and didn't think it was a hinderence.

I asked them if they would rather have an Aimpoint or Eotech and they all said they would rather have the ACOG.

If they 4x ACOG has so many issues why after it being fielded for so long by the USMC-Army would they continue to buy them?

They've certainly had enough time to evaluate them in combat.

Why haven't they gone to Aimpoint-EOTECH , or a variable scope?

I've got 7 rifles and have been through more optics then I care to admit. Currently I have 6 Aimpoints and 1 ACOG TA31 RCO 150 G.

While I like the Aimpoints more for 50 and under, the ACOG doesn't present any issues at that distance.

And for anything over 75 yards I like the ACOG.

The choice of an optic is the most personal piece of gear you can purchase.

Just seems the ACOG 4x is getting slammed a little to hard.

Again your mileage my vary, and it takes more time to get proficient up close with the ACOG 4x it can be done with a little work.

Every optic has its pluses and minuses, just depends on what you want the optic to do for you and your requirements with the rifle.

Again for me and my use, if I had to grab one of my rifles it would be one with an Aimpoint, but if the only one available would be the one with the ACOG I would be fine with that.

I was one of those guys you are mentioning in the first sentence. I also trained a few thousand of their instructors and was one of the first USMC certified instructors through Trijicon.

Frankly, most dudes issued them have limited exposure to anything else, and most are using them as rifle-attached binos.

I could go on for some time on the topic, but it's all been said before and I don't want to come across as attacking you, so at this point, unless I am specifically addressed, I'm out.



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[cop1211]

Hopefully my post didn't come across as argumentative .

Again just a question if the 4x ACOG wasn't viewed as a good optic for military use or there was wide spread dislike or wide spread call for a different optic why would they continue to purchase them ?
Why not the TA33 or TA11, a variable scope?

[NCHornet]

You see this same argument on all the forums, folks putting down this model for this one, and this color reticle for that one and on and on and on. Then the whole eye relief argument always comes up, and I am sorry but most of it is repeated hype they read on some other forum. I will admit the TA31 and a more limited eye relief than other models. But the truth is it doesn't pose a issue to many folks, especially if nobody tells them about it, lol!!!!! IIRC when I bought my TA31RCO a couple years ago the TA31 was their most popular model. That may have changed by now, I don't know, but I know there are countless out there mounted on rifles ready to go. Not everyone shoots NTCH, some prefer their stocks all the way closed, some all the way open and then you have those that are in between some where. There is no right or wrong, shoot the way it works best for you, let the others watch their Magpul DVD's and do their couch commando drills in the living room. Not claiming this is anyone who replied in this thread, just speaking in general here. The rest of us will be busy shooting our rifles. Let's not even get started on which color reticle is best, lol!!!! To each their own, that is why I normally don't recommend a particular optic over another. I will tell them what works for me, but my final recommendation is to always try your best to try the optic out prior to buying. Better yet, buy it on the EE and you should get a good enough deal where if you had to sell it you wouldn't be out much, if anything at all. Good Luck!!!