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Thread: Bushmaster C15 5.56/.22 combo

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    Quote Originally Posted by nateebumpo View Post
    you could get a complete psa carbine and a s&w 15/22 for not a lot more than that combo, like around $300 more if you shop right. this is not a top quality 5.56 ar but its leagues ahead of any bushmaster in my opinion. for around $500 more you could get a colt 6920 and the 15/22 and either way have two dedicated guns that will last your lifetime most likely.


    the top rail on the c15 poly upper coming loose/off is enough to tell me they did it wrong. not to mention the upper breaking at barrel threads and lowers snapping receiver extension lugs off. being dropped or not shouldn't matter, unless its from two or more stories high an ar shouldn't break like that. id also be deathly afraid to mortar the thing if a shell got stuck knowing I could very well end up with pieces afterwards.
    I was thinking the same thing ...
    PSA has complete lowers for $200. Add a BCM upper from the equipment exchange for around $4-500 (or PSA from the website for the same). A CMMG dedicated upper for around $300 (or a .22lr conversion kit for $100). That puts you right around $1000 for 2 uppers on the same lower; I have the CMMG upper and love it.

    I suspect one of the reasons you're not hearing much real feedback on the BM C15, specifically, is because so many people here feel it's a POS and not worth the money. In other words, no one here has tried it, because they're not willing to stoop "low enough" to buy it in the first place.

    There are certainly other websites dedicated to the AR platform that tend to be less discerning and a larger population of readers. Perhaps they could offer more specific examples?

    Edit: though I finally read page 3 ... and see it's kind of a moot point. If you do go for a dedicate AR-15/22, the S&W is a solid choice. However (and correct me if I'm wrong), I don't think that it can be used with a regular 5.56 upper. Just something to think about.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gungho View Post
    I would like to buy one that is already to stage 3 of your pics, BUT I have no problem starting out with a good basic model and designing it's 'look' and adaptability myself. It was just a matter of finding out that I can do what ever I want to with the Colt 6920. Now it's just a matter of finding a dealer in my area that has access to one.

    It seems like you like the magpul goodies on there.
    The 6920 also comes in this version.

    G&R has them for 1150
    http://www.gandrtactical.com/cgi-bin...key=LE6920MP-B

    DSG has them for 1095
    http://dsgarms.com/ProductInfo/COLE6920MP-B.aspx

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    Quote Originally Posted by Caduceus View Post
    If you do go for a dedicate AR-15/22, the S&W is a solid choice. However (and correct me if I'm wrong), I don't think that it can be used with a regular 5.56 upper. Just something to think about.
    That is correct, the 15-22 upper and lower are slightly different in size and the pivot/take down pins are spaced slightly differently, to prevent someone putting a 5.56 upper on it and blowing the 15-22 lower to smithereens. Since the 15-22 is a blowback .22, it has a polymer fake receiver extension that has a molded solid end where the buffer would go. Imagine what would happen if you could put a real 5.56 upper on it and pulled the trigger. However, you can use all AR-15 mil-spec stocks, pistol grips, and even triggers in the 15-22, as those parts are the same size and spec.
    The Smith & Wesson M&P 15-22 is definitely the best dedicated AR-pattern .22 rifle (in my opinion). It was designed from the start as a .22 AR, and therefor avoids some of the issues that .22 conversions and .22 uppers have.
    First, if you use a drop-in .22 conversion in a standard AR, your accuracy is going to be terrible. Firing a 36-40gr .22 LR round through a 1/7 twist 5.56 barrel means you'll be doing good to get a shotgun-like pattern at 25m. The 15-22 has the proper 1/15 twist for a .22LR projectile. This leaves a dedicated .22LR upper for a standard AR lower. From what I've read, these can require significant fiddling to run reliably, and additional parts if you want the bolt to lock back after the last shot or if you want the bolt release to work and be more than a decorative piece. If you search, you can also find a 15-22 for close to the price of a dedicated .22 upper, and you will then have 2 fully functional rifles, instead of 1.5 rifles. This also avoids .22LR gunk from coating the internals of your 5.56 lower.
    This is why I bought a 15-22 to go with my BCM. Personally, I believe it was the best choice for functionality and economy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CrazyFingers View Post
    That is correct, the 15-22 upper and lower are slightly different in size and the pivot/take down pins are spaced slightly differently, to prevent someone putting a 5.56 upper on it and blowing the 15-22 lower to smithereens. Since the 15-22 is a blowback .22, it has a polymer fake receiver extension that has a molded solid end where the buffer would go. Imagine what would happen if you could put a real 5.56 upper on it and pulled the trigger. However, you can use all AR-15 mil-spec stocks, pistol grips, and even triggers in the 15-22, as those parts are the same size and spec.
    The Smith & Wesson M&P 15-22 is definitely the best dedicated AR-pattern .22 rifle (in my opinion). It was designed from the start as a .22 AR, and therefor avoids some of the issues that .22 conversions and .22 uppers have.
    First, if you use a drop-in .22 conversion in a standard AR, your accuracy is going to be terrible. Firing a 36-40gr .22 LR round through a 1/7 twist 5.56 barrel means you'll be doing good to get a shotgun-like pattern at 25m. The 15-22 has the proper 1/15 twist for a .22LR projectile. This leaves a dedicated .22LR upper for a standard AR lower. From what I've read, these can require significant fiddling to run reliably, and additional parts if you want the bolt to lock back after the last shot or if you want the bolt release to work and be more than a decorative piece. If you search, you can also find a 15-22 for close to the price of a dedicated .22 upper, and you will then have 2 fully functional rifles, instead of 1.5 rifles. This also avoids .22LR gunk from coating the internals of your 5.56 lower.
    This is why I bought a 15-22 to go with my BCM. Personally, I believe it was the best choice for functionality and economy.
    I've heard the same about the uppers. The CMMG is a 1/16 twist. I think they now have a bolt-hold open device, but I haven't tried it. Mags are a bit pricey, but same as the S&W. BTW, there are some other dedicated uppers out there (I think Colt even has one), just CMMG is the one I have.

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    LOL! Sorry for comparing the S&W 15/22 to the POS Mossberg International 715.....I now know that the S&W is a superior rifle in construction alone. I'm actively looking for a dealer in MO that can get ahold of a Colt LE6920MP-B and give me pricing. So far I'm only finding one dealer up around KC. I've never dealt with a "transfer" procedure so I'll have to figure that out now too. But thank you all for your input and advice, you've been very helpful.....

    Ok, so I've found a dealer that say's he can order the Colt at any time, and wants $1,280 w/$130 off for a cash sale, so $1,150, that's only about $120 more than I would have paid for the BM C15 combo. Q. Is this a good deal? or can I do better?
    Last edited by Gungho; 08-08-13 at 14:00. Reason: new info

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gungho View Post
    I've never dealt with a "transfer" procedure so I'll have to figure that out now too. But thank you all for your input and advice, you've been very helpful.....
    Here's one site that shows available FFL dealers in the US:

    http://www.gunbroker.com/ffl/dealernetwork.aspx

    Find an FFL on the list, find out what their transfer fees are (before you commit as there are some that can be shady) and have them send their FFL paperwork to whomever you happen to buy from. They get shipped the rifle in question and you fill out the 4473 through them.
    Experience is a cruel teacher, gives the exam first and then the lesson.

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