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    Quote Originally Posted by bighawk View Post
    I owned a Bushmaster carbon 15 when I joined this site. Thanks to a few friends and reading numerous threads on different rifles here I have upgraded.

    My best friend still currently owns one and has issues with it even after I told him about all my poor experiences.

    I had at least one if not all of the following issues almost everytime I went shooting... failure to extract, failure to fire, misfeed/double feeds (about 350 rounds every 3-4 weeks for a little over a year with various types of quality ammo). I took very good care of it and it was fairly accurate. Its not the worst gun I have ever shot but all the malfunctions put its down near the bottom of my list.

    After going shooting with some friends who owned BCM and LMT rifles one day I came here to read about those brands and am now getting ready to purchase my third BCM..

    I'd hate to see someone spend that kind of money on that gun only to find out the same thing I did after I started really getting into the AR platform. It's low quality and it's not reliable. Good luck in your search and I hope this little bit of info is what you were looking for and helps you out.
    Thank you.

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    Ok, with all the GOOD advice, I am now NOT going to purchase the BM. Not sure I like the Colt platform yet though; I will keep looking.
    Thank you all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gungho View Post
    Ok, with all the GOOD advice, I am now NOT going to purchase the BM. Not sure I like the Colt platform yet though; I will keep looking.
    Thank you all.
    Now that we got the first 2 pages out our system and you have moved passed the Bushie, what is it about the Colt line that doesn't work for you? what features, specs, options, etc are you looking for?

    I saw that you wanted one for hunting and self-defense but didn't see much more than that. Do you want a 16" barrel or an 18" or a 20"? Heavy barrel, gov't profile, lightweight,? Are you looking for a railed fore end or stock plastic hand guards? Are you thinking about optics and want something to come prepackaged or add your own?

    The Colt 6920 gets recommend 10:1 here because it is a rock solid base platform from which the sky is the limit. It also costs the same if not less than many other lower grade rifles, you just have to shop around and find prices.

    I'm not savvy on .22 uppers so I can't add much there, but with the price availability of .22 ammo, I say just buy a regular AR and worry about the .22 upper later when you can save the $$$ for one.
    Last edited by Zirk208; 08-07-13 at 19:56.
    -Colt 6920 w/Aimpoint PRO

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gungho View Post
    Thank you for your Informative Post. I will be checking into these.

    Copping an attitude isn't my purpose. My purpose is to get all the damn haters to shut up! Like telling me to read, I have read and haven't received ANY answers to my original question, all I see is a bunch of BM haters bashing me for my ignorance and a VERY FEW "genuinely" trying to help. I'm sorry, but I'm not a door mat, and I will not sit silently when someone is being condescending to me on a personal level.
    If this was already addressed halfway down page 2 or on page 3, my apologies but to give you a straight answer as to why not...
    -BMs are generally 1/9 as opposed to the more ideal 1/7
    - tight chambers. Despite being labelled 5.56, they are not. Theyre somewhere short of 5.56 leading to popped primers when firing 5.56 ammo -- personal experience
    - overgassed. Their gasports are too large for what is needed.
    - batch testing. Barrels are supposed to be individually high pressure tested and then magnetically inspected for cracks.
    - their BCGs are also batch tested and from reports, have improperly staked carrier keys.-- this is critical
    - commercial RE : search for the differences between commercial and milspec REs
    - non-F marked FSBs, which you need to be able to zero with a rear Bck up sight on flat top upper. They make up for this with a taller post. Laziness at its best.
    - not sure if this is still current but m4 feedramps did not used to be standard
    Im sure i missed a bunch but these are just some of the reasons to pass on them and the above is not isolated to their carbon stuff either, but BM in general.
    Im not, not recommending you get a BCM, DD, noveske or any weapon from one of the top tier manufacturers but a Colt 6920 would be a great start. It comes in complete up-to-spec package and in a basic config which i recommend you start from. Shoot it stock, learn it, identify your own needs and preferences from experience, and purchase accessories accordingly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gungho View Post
    To those that are saying "Buy what you want I don't care" and "Never mind"; it's not that I'm not listening to you.....it's that you didn't understand or read my original question. I was looking for your opinions and reason's for those opinions...
    I understand and did read your question. That is why I listed problems that Carbon 15 owners have had that I found in a simple search. I don't have opinions or reasons because I don't now and I have never owned the rifle in question.
    But, in the end, I don't care as it's not my rifle, I won't be paying for yours and I won't get butthurt no matter what you buy. Trust me, we are really trying to help you but this isn't the "feelgood' site. If you need to feel good, I suggest TOS as it is readily apparent that this site won't make you happy.
    Have a nice evening!

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    Quote Originally Posted by zirkdog View Post
    Now that we got the first 2 pages out our system and you have moved passed the Bushie, what is it about the Colt line that doesn't work for you? what features, specs, options, etc are you looking for?

    I saw that you wanted one for hunting and self-defense but didn't see much more than that. Do you want a 16" barrel or an 18" or a 20"? Heavy barrel, gov't profile, lightweight,? Are you looking for a railed fore end or stock plastic hand guards? Are you thinking about optics and want something to come prepackaged or add your own?

    The Colt 6920 gets recommend 10:1 here because it is a rock solid base platform from which the sky is the limit. It also costs the same if not less than many other lower grade rifles, you just have to shop around and find prices.

    I'm not savvy on .22 uppers so I can't add much there, but with the price availability of .22 ammo, I say just buy a regular AR and worry about the .22 upper later when you can save the $$$ for one.
    Exactly!

    Now, as far as what I'm wanting. I'm rather ignorant about the tech terms. And I googled 'diagram of AR 15 5.56' and they wanted $50 to print/view it, and I don't understand how to put an image on here but I'm going to try:


    If you'll notice the firearm in the middle of the first pic and the C15 at the top of the second pic....Is the part surrounding the barrel called a fore-grip? Are those models sporting "quad rails"? If so, that is the over all 'style' that I'm looking for with a 16-18" barrel. I want to be able to adapt though, so it has to be as accurate at 100 yds. as it is at ten. So, yes, I want optics but I want to be able to use the "iron sights" as well. I want to be able to attach accessories to the 'rails', Laser, Flash light, you know, just stuff. It must be a 5.56! Like I said though, the .22 is just a luxury that I can do without for now but it too must be adaptable to a .22.....

    Thank you for the question.
    Last edited by Gungho; 08-07-13 at 21:05. Reason: for pics

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gungho View Post
    Is the part surrounding the barrel called a fore-grip? Are those models sporting "quad rails"?
    "Handguard"

    Quote Originally Posted by Gungho View Post
    If so, that is the over all 'style' that I'm looking for with a 16-18" barrel. I want to be able to adapt though, so it has to be as accurate at 100 yds. as it is at ten.
    That statement makes no sense.

    Quote Originally Posted by Gungho View Post
    So, yes, I want optics but I want to be able to use the "iron sights" as well. I want to be able to attach accessories to the 'rails', Laser, Flash light, you know, just stuff.
    You're putting the cart before the horse, and it makes you sound like you want a toy more than a rifle. Need drives gear. Without owning and shooting the rifle, how do you know you need "stuff"?
    That being said, any of the rifles that I and others have recommended can be modified to any configuration you can dream of.

    Quote Originally Posted by Gungho View Post
    It must be a 5.56! Like I said though, the .22 is just a luxury that I can do without for now but it too must be adaptable to a .22.....
    My most earnest piece of advice: If what you really want is an AR-pattern .22, then you want a Smith & Wesson M&P 15-22. No really, that's what you want. It's even polymer.
    Last edited by CrazyFingers; 08-07-13 at 21:24.

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    My Colt LE6920 has went through a few steps of progression. I've slowly made it what I've wanted over the past year and a half. All it lacks is an optic, and it will be getting an Aimpoint Pro at Christmas time. I'll add some pictures of it's progression to this post so you can see how it started out, and what it's become. It certainly hasn't been hard to tailor it to my wants and needs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CrazyFingers View Post
    "Handguard"



    That statement makes no sense.


    You're putting the cart before the horse, and it makes you sound like you want a toy more than a rifle. Need drives gear. Without owning and shooting the rifle, how do you know you need "stuff"?

    I guess a person isn't allowed to dream...that's what drives the economy!



    My most earnest piece of advice: If what you really want is an AR-pattern .22, then you want a Smith & Wesson M&P 15-22. No really, that's what you want. It's even polymer.
    Funny, that's what I've already said, I have already purchased a POS .22 that you have described, and I like versatility, I'm sorry but that is just one of my desires. You know, if I have to bug out, I will have the ability to Kill small animals without blasting a squirrel to pieces with a 5.56/.223 (you see I've been told that a rifle that is chambered for 5.56 WILL chamber a .223 as well, but the reverse is not true, so there is a built in versatility).
    Last edited by Gungho; 08-07-13 at 21:31.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gungho View Post
    Funny, that's what I've already said, I have already purchased a POS .22 that you have described, and I like versatility, I'm sorry but that is just one of my desires. You know, if I have to bug out, I will have the ability to Kill small animals without blasting a squirrel to pieces with a 5.56/.223 (you see I've been told that a rifle that is chambered for 5.56 WILL chamber a .223 as well, but the reverse is not true, so there is a built in versatility).
    Understood in that sometimes you want what you want for whatever reasons. Just feel compelled to point out that there really isn't anything in the same league as the M&P 15-22, so don't equate it with your previously owned Mossberg.

    You've been told sort of correct about 5.56 vs. .223.

    You'll get both types of ammunition to chamber just fine in either type of chamber. The issue lies with whether or not the chamber will accommodate for the higher pressure of 5.56x45 or not. But the lesson you picked up was correct. Get the 5.56x45 chamber...and don't trust that every manufacturer who stamps that on the barrel actually means it.

    The recommended manufacturers you've seen in this thread and others will have true 5.56 chambers...others(BushMaster etc...) may or may not regardless of what's on the barrel and literature.

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