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    Quote Originally Posted by SeriousStudent View Post
    Personally, I was happy as a pig in deep doo-doo that Colt and BCM test fired my carbines before sending them out. Both of them came with carbon on the inside from test-firing. Both had some marks on the brass deflector. Shows they put it in the right spot, I guess.

    If you went to the Ford or Chevy dealer to buy a pickup, would you want them to drive the vehicle a couple of miles at the factory? Or at least start it a few times? I would, just in case someone had a bad day at the plant.

    I think, but am not sure, that S&W test-fires their M&P pistols prior to shipping them out the door. If so, I'm glad they do.

    When you think about it, test firing a magazine through a carbine is a pretty good final QC check. Which is why the smart kids all do that at the plant.
    Yes i feel you man!! My DD came with a little tag that said who it was assembled by, test fired by, and cleaned by. I know colt builds the war horse, i just thought it seemed a bit odd that they sent it out like that. The real biggie was with the scratch though. Heck i know these tools arent made to be pretty but hey! No one wants to buy a new truck with a scratch on it either!! Haha. Agreed 100% though. At least they ensure the weapon is fully functional!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by SeriousStudent View Post
    Personally, I was happy as a pig in deep doo-doo that Colt and BCM test fired my carbines before sending them out. Both of them came with carbon on the inside from test-firing. Both had some marks on the brass deflector. Shows they put it in the right spot, I guess.

    If you went to the Ford or Chevy dealer to buy a pickup, would you want them to drive the vehicle a couple of miles at the factory? Or at least start it a few times? I would, just in case someone had a bad day at the plant.

    I think, but am not sure, that S&W test-fires their M&P pistols prior to shipping them out the door. If so, I'm glad they do.

    When you think about it, test firing a magazine through a carbine is a pretty good final QC check. Which is why the smart kids all do that at the plant.
    Both my M&P .40 and PPS (imported by S&W) came with the spent shells used from at least one test shot at the factory. My Colt also looked like it had a few rounds put through it before it left the factory. Makes me all warm and fuzzy inside

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    It's impossible to be 100% spot on, 100% of the time. We have made mistakes in the past, we're human and imperfect creatures, the stuff we make isn't going to be flawless all the time.

    Having seen things like this happen with well established and respected manufacturers, and done it ourselves, we appreciate an open mind that things like this can and does happen. Selector holes undersized, detent channel drilled at 1 or 2 degree cant (resulting in the selector looking a little crooked when it's on SAFE or FIRE), selector holes not drilled evenly on both sides, etc.

    The difference between these big names and lesser known and respected manufactures is the quality and workmanship is much more consistent, so the little defects are few and far between.

    The worst experience I've had with receivers isn't with the big names, but they're pretty well known (not always in the good way), 4 out of 5 receivers are out of spec on one way or another.

    I have 3 Colts, other than the receiver thickness being slightly different, which isn't a defect, none has ever exhibited problems I had with the 5 receivers mentioned previously.
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    And this is why I request to field strip and inspect prior to purchasing if at all possible. Stuff happens indeed, but a lot of it can be easily detected. A few months ago I was looking at a new AR and politely requested to field strip and take a look. The guy behind the counter snapped back that I couldn't...store policy. I thought that perhaps he thought I was going to go beyond a simple field strip so I explained what I was talking about, same angry answer. He would not even let me push out the rear pivot pin to shotgun it open. No sale. What a tool.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eric View Post
    And this is why I request to field strip and inspect prior to purchasing if at all possible. Stuff happens indeed, but a lot of it can be easily detected. A few months ago I was looking at a new AR and politely requested to field strip and take a look. The guy behind the counter snapped back that I couldn't...store policy. I thought that perhaps he thought I was going to go beyond a simple field strip so I explained what I was talking about, same angry answer. He would not even let me push out the rear pivot pin to shotgun it open. No sale. What a tool.
    That is kind of a hard one. While I do not mind field stripping the gun for the customer, I would never let the customer do it.

    Just as an FYI, I have TONS of customers that will ONLY BUY guns if no other human has touched them. So a store not letting you field strip a gun isn't that crazy to me.


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    Quote Originally Posted by C4IGrant View Post
    That is kind of a hard one. While I do not mind field stripping the gun for the customer, I would never let the customer do it.

    Just as an FYI, I have TONS of customers that will ONLY BUY guns if no other human has touched them. So a store not letting you field strip a gun isn't that crazy to me.


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    I wouldn't be upset if a store clerk refused to let me break down a weapon. I've seen too many people that had no clue how to take apart a weapon and it becomes a liability quickly if not a broken part or weapon.

    I always ask first and if denied, ask the clerk to do it for me unless it isn't easily done like for a 1911. But from a name brand company like Colt, Glock or Sig that has good customer service, I forgo the inspection and rely on the warranty/return for problems.

    ETA: Now for a used gun being bought person to person, there is absolutely no way I'm buying it without taking it apart first to look it over.
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    Quote Originally Posted by C4IGrant View Post
    That is kind of a hard one. While I do not mind field stripping the gun for the customer, I would never let the customer do it.

    Just as an FYI, I have TONS of customers that will ONLY BUY guns if no other human has touched them. So a store not letting you field strip a gun isn't that crazy to me.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Iraqgunz View Post
    I have said this time and again and I stress this in the class all the time. No matter who makes your weapon, Colt, Noveske, LMT or even Paul from BCM himself, you should ALWAYS inspect your firearms.

    If you can disassemble the weapon into basic groups and look for anything out of the ordinary or anything that is incorrect. If you don't like it then ask for another one and if they don't have another (and unless it is something minor) just walk away.
    This! Carbines are built by humans and they make mistakes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by C4IGrant View Post
    Just as an FYI, I have TONS of customers that will ONLY BUY guns if no other human has touched them. So a store not letting you field strip a gun isn't that crazy to me.


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    This has always rubbed me wrong. I have had customers flat out refuse a transfer because we opened the box to confirm the serial number.
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    Quote Originally Posted by VIP3R 237 View Post
    This has always rubbed me wrong. I have had customers flat out refuse a transfer because we opened the box to confirm the serial number.
    Yep. Back when we first started, I used to open every box and inspect the gun BEFORE we shipped it. Then I started getting "This is a USED gun" comments so I stopped doing it.



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