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Thread: I can move to safe with the hammer uncocked. Why? - Resolved

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bluto View Post
    Thank you all for your help! It seems it was a very simple issue that was very easy to miss...

    Apparently there was a tiny burr in the channel housing the safety retaining pin spring that was rubbing up against the spring. A small file and five minutes and everything works just fine now. With and without the kns pins!
    safety retaining pin spring? you mean the selector detent spring that goes up through receiver under the hand grip???

    how did this allow your malfunction?
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    Quote Originally Posted by ra2bach View Post
    safety retaining pin spring? you mean the selector detent spring that goes up through receiver under the hand grip???

    how did this allow your malfunction?
    Yes, sorry... the selector detent spring.

    A tiny burr towards the top of the channel was rubbing against the spring so the detent wasn’t being pushed into the safety hard enough. I took everything apart and had a bit of a hard time getting the spring out. I ended up prying it out with a tiny screw driver and had an “aha” moment.

    I would not have expected something like this to actually happen, but I guess it’s buried enough to pass QC. I’m sure that during assembly everything went together just fine and somehow it either didn’t happen the last time I fired it or I just didn’t notice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bluto View Post
    Yes, sorry... the selector detent spring.

    A tiny burr towards the top of the channel was rubbing against the spring so the detent wasn’t being pushed into the safety hard enough. I took everything apart and had a bit of a hard time getting the spring out. I ended up prying it out with a tiny screw driver and had an “aha” moment.

    I would not have expected something like this to actually happen, but I guess it’s buried enough to pass QC. I’m sure that during assembly everything went together just fine and somehow it either didn’t happen the last time I fired it or I just didn’t notice.
    OK. but I still don't see how this allowed you to place the selector in safe when the hammer was not cocked...
    never push a wrench...

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    Quote Originally Posted by ra2bach View Post
    OK. but I still don't see how this allowed you to place the selector in safe when the hammer was not cocked...
    That's what I was thinking. Either the selector location is too high, or too far back. Or the selector is defective, or the trigger tail too short.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bluto View Post
    Yes, sorry... the selector detent spring.

    A tiny burr towards the top of the channel was rubbing against the spring so the detent wasn’t being pushed into the safety hard enough. I took everything apart and had a bit of a hard time getting the spring out. I ended up prying it out with a tiny screw driver and had an “aha” moment.

    I would not have expected something like this to actually happen, but I guess it’s buried enough to pass QC. I’m sure that during assembly everything went together just fine and somehow it either didn’t happen the last time I fired it or I just didn’t notice.
    Even with the selector detent and spring and grip removed, if it is de-cocked, you should not be able to rotate the selector to safe.

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    I didn't think this was possible so I grabbed one of my lowers (all of them have BAD ASS levers and ALG triggers which are made by the same company that makes Colt FCG's. With the grip loosened and the detent and spring dropped away from the selector, you still cannot rotate it with the hammer uncocked. When the hammer is cocked, the rear tail of the trigger drops and thereby allows clearance for the selector to move.

    So I fail to see how your fix did anything. Something else is happening here.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Iraqgunz View Post
    I didn't think this was possible so I grabbed one of my lowers (all of them have BAD ASS levers and ALG triggers which are made by the same company that makes Colt FCG's. With the grip loosened and the detent and spring dropped away from the selector, you still cannot rotate it with the hammer uncocked. When the hammer is cocked, the rear tail of the trigger drops and thereby allows clearance for the selector to move.

    So I fail to see how your fix did anything. Something else is happening here.
    Well, it turns out I was full of shit and didn't even know it...

    After my "fix", I could still move the safety. It just took more force than before. My delusional happiness lasted all of 30 minutes. after a bit of a rant, I took it to a gunsmith who replaced the trigger and all the lower springs and pins. NOW it works fine.

    So, I feel like a self-medicating idiot, but at least my rifle is working.

    Mea culpa.
    Last edited by Bluto; 08-21-13 at 19:24.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bluto View Post
    Well, it turns out I was full of shit and didn't even know it...

    After my "fix", I could still move the safety. It just took more force than before. My delusional happiness lasted all of 30 minutes. after a bit of a rant, I took it to a gunsmith who replaced the trigger and all the lower springs and pins. NOW it works fine.

    So, I feel like a self-medicating idiot, but at least my rifle is working.

    Mea culpa.
    You're not an idiot by any means. You found a problem-worked to resolve said problem-got help - problem fixed. Good work if you ask me.

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    So, I feel like a self-medicating idiot, but at least my rifle is working.
    I understand that feeling. Went to see my Doc once years ago,
    He said I don't try and do your job, LEO, so you don't try to be a Doctor
    and I don't care what hotel you stayed one night.

    Glad you have a resolution.
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    So the gunsmith didn't replace the safety lever? If that is the case then the trigger must have been defective.

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