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- Will
General Performance/Fitness Advice for all
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“Those who do not view armed self defense as a basic human right, ignore the mass graves of those who died on their knees at the hands of tyrants.”
Just because you used a particular weapon in combat was a POS, does not have shit to do with the a type or class of weapon that you would consider for use in combat.
I respect your service in combat.
....but a little less emotion man!
I do think that you seem to have a very caustic attitude and dislike for this site, too bad you feel this way.
You seem to jump to conclusions and can not tolerate any other fact or opinions.
Hope you have a good day anyway!
Last edited by LostinKY; 08-16-13 at 14:15.
PSA 6-Position Mil-Spec Diameter Buffer Tube 6061, $24.99
http://palmettostatearmory.com/index...ffer-tube.html
PSA Complete 5 Position Mil-Spec Diameter Buffer Tube Assembly, $49.95
http://palmettostatearmory.com/index...-assembly.html
PSA 6-Position Mil-Spec Diameter Buffer Tube 7075, $34.95
http://palmettostatearmory.com/index...tube-6305.html
Grant sells what he recommends and refuses to sell what he "demonizes". There is a distinct difference.
There are technical reason to choose a 7075 RE over one made from 6061. The threads of the 6061 part are going to be softer and greater care must be taken during assembly to prevent damaging them. If made from a forging, 7075 is a better choice. 6061 is a poor choice of material for forging as it's susceptible to intergranular inclusions which cause corrosion. That's why AR receivers were changed from 6061 to 7075 very early on. This isn't a problem if the RE is extruded. 6061 is a better alloy for extruding than 7075.
From a practical standpoint, the shooter probably won't see a difference in performance between a forged RE made of 7075 and an extruded RE made of 6061, but the difference in price is a mere $10. You make a good point about barrels, but that discussion would completely derail this thread.
When it comes to advertising, it's been my experience that the buyer needs to learn the language of the seller, whether it's PSA, BCM, G&R Tactical or anyone else. Some are clear, some are harder to understand and some rely heavily on obfuscation and misdirection. It's up to the buyer to determine what the seller is saying or hiding and make their purchases accordingly
Last edited by MistWolf; 08-16-13 at 12:50.
INSIDE PLAN OF BOX
- ROAD-RUNNER LIFTS GLASS OF WATER- PULLING UP MATCH
- MATCH SCRATCHES ON MATCH-BOX
- MATCH LIGHTS FUSE TO TNT
- BOOM!
- HA-HA!!
-WILE E. COYOTE, AUTHOR OF "EVERYTHING I NEEDED TO KNOW IN LIFE, I LEARNED FROM GOLDBERG & MURPHY"
I am American
So who has data on failure rates for PA lowers?
Daniel
Never send a nail to do a screw's job.
I picked up one of these lowers for $199. Mental masturbation aside its a good deal. I tend to be a "stockpiler" and I make no bones about it. I do not resale for profit either. Its not a matter of "if" there is another serious threat to our rights but "when".
The definition of "good" is always in the eye of the beholder. Most people shoot UNDER 500rds a YEAR. In this instance, buy whatever you like (as it really doesn't matter).
At least for me, the ONLY factory built gun I actually shoot is a KAC SR15 MOD1. All my AR's are built by ME from parts that I like. So I evaluate AR's on their quality of components and how they are assembled. Everything else is irrelevant.It used to be that we evaluate a product, then grade it. Now, people look at a compnany or even a price point, and have their mind made up before they even see the product.
Who says they have to spend that? I have BCM and Colt AR's in stock for a little over $1k! Hell, buy the best CHEAP AR on the market (S&W SPORT)! Nothing beats it IMHO.Can you honestly tell me that a new shooter with limited funds and somone who just wants to learn to shoot, needs to go out and buy a $1500 BCM or DD rifle, when they can get a quality, lower priced brand.
Demonize is a pretty aggressive word I think. Tell the truth is more like it.I have spent alot of money with you over the years grant. In fact you, build me a couple uppers when I was still in Iraq in 2005. The problem is you only recomend products that you sell, and tend to demonize those you don't. Anyone who has been on the board for more than a few months can see this.
This really isn't the forum forum that. There is a thread for that topic.Back to the whole point of this thread was to let people who want to buy a few or a bunch of realitive inexpesnive, YET SERVICEABLE lowers have a stab before they sell out.
C4
Since people are getting "technical", nothing is truly milspec unless if it is produced for procurement under a .gov contract and manufactured by a certified / contracted manufacturer / vendor and meets the TDP specs and goes under .gov inspectors and passes those inspections.
Correct Sir. When I have a COP or .MIL guy standing in my shop asking me what gun should they bet their life on, I cannot recommend (in good conscience) a gun that I do not believe in. Other dealers might be able to sleep at night, but I cannot.
So if I won't own it, I don't sell it. Simple as that. Let us also realize that the BULK of the gun business is in the LOW END firearms, accessories and ammo (like 80%). I choose to only operate in the 20% (high quality items). Could I make more money if I lowered my standards? Yep, sure could.
C4
No disrespect here, more of a curiousness of semantics. If I were to build a house to a specification set to DR Horton, would that house not be a "DR Horton Spec" house? Same concept. If it is built to the Military Specifications outlined in the TDP, could not any manufacturer who follows the specs be building a "Milspec" rifle. Meaning built to spec? There would be no way to "prove" that it is built to Milspec without testing it, but if it proved to be built with the called for materials and to the dimensions and "specs" than would it not be " Milspec?"
I do ask this bc I have seen people bring this up many times here and other places.
Last edited by steyrman13; 08-16-13 at 14:15.
So what some of you are saying...
That this:
http://palmettostatearmory.com/index...-kit-2632.html
Added to one of the blemished lowers they throw on sale from time to time for around $70 which brings the grand total up to $570 is not a good deal?
It does have the proper specs on the BCG and barrel. But minus the 7075 RE and H1 buffer, so add in another $23 for the buffer, $35 for the RE and you still come in well under seven bills for the whole thing.
I understand some want the "best" for hard use carbines, but are we getting too far into specifics to see that sometimes inexpensive does not mean cheap?
Experience is a cruel teacher, gives the exam first and then the lesson.
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