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    OP you posted-
    "RCH disadvantages:
    2)Possibility of causing stoppages. Get that RCH too near cover (or your thumb) and you will make the rifle quit working."
    With no experiences with AR RCH's I thought the same at first, but later changed my mind- if the charging handle is on the same side as the ejection port (as it would be for a left handed shooter) wouldn't you run similar risks with ejecting brass and dust cover not opening? One advantage I think you should add to your list is a faster reload. I wished I had got one of the LAR Grizzly OPS-4 left handed side chargers when they were making them. I kind of like the idea of a side charger and have wanted to make a 14.5 l/w mid-length w/ a RCH just to experiment. I am seriously interested in the well-documented problems with side chargers or RCH's, please point me in the right direction, I have not even been able to find any un-documented problems with them on the internet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 220Eric View Post
    OP you posted-
    "RCH disadvantages:
    2)Possibility of causing stoppages. Get that RCH too near cover (or your thumb) and you will make the rifle quit working."

    With no experiences with AR RCH's I thought the same at first, but later changed my mind- if the charging handle is on the same side as the ejection port (as it would be for a left handed shooter) wouldn't you run similar risks with ejecting brass and dust cover not opening? One advantage I think you should add to your list is a faster reload. I wished I had got one of the LAR Grizzly OPS-4 left handed side chargers when they were making them. I kind of like the idea of a side charger and have wanted to make a 14.5 l/w mid-length w/ a RCH just to experiment. I am seriously interested in the well-documented problems with side chargers or RCH's, please point me in the right direction, I have not even been able to find any un-documented problems with them on the internet.
    RCHs on ARs seem like as much of a kludge as a AK with a NRCH. I was generally speaking about rifles as they were designed. I have no experience with RCHs on ARs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 220Eric View Post
    ..........I am seriously interested in the well-documented problems with side chargers or RCH's, please point me in the right direction, I have not even been able to find any un-documented problems with them on the internet.
    As am I. I have read over and over again the assertion that there is something wrong with a reciprocating charging handle and over and over references to some vague authority to back up the assertions, seems like never any substance.

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    Re: Reciprocating charging handles (RCH) vs non-reciprocating charging handles (NRCH)

    Quote Originally Posted by Suwannee Tim View Post
    As am I. I have read over and over again the assertion that there is something wrong with a reciprocating charging handle and over and over references to some vague authority to back up the assertions, seems like never any substance.
    I've seen quite a few stoppages induced by shooters on the SCAR and AK family by placing the support hand in a bad position, or by placing the CH in a position to be interrupted by the environment. None of these were observed with an experienced shooter with more than a few hours of training on the platform.

    It is something that can go wrong; training reduces that potential problem.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Suwannee Tim View Post
    As am I. I have read over and over again the assertion that there is something wrong with a reciprocating charging handle and over and over references to some vague authority to back up the assertions, seems like never any substance.
    The issue isnt so much as the fact that it has a reciprocating CH, its that the end users arent very enamored with the performance as a whole with the SCAR. Look up Monty's posts here, he was heavily involved in the SCAR testing phase or the observations of the guys on SOCnet. If anything the CH issue is probably a small footnote in a list of the many problems of the SCAR program.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Failure2Stop View Post
    I've seen quite a few stoppages induced by shooters on the SCAR and AK family by placing the support hand in a bad position.......
    You raise a question I have always wondered about. What does it do to the thumb of the poor fool who grips, say a SCAR with his thumb behind the operating handle? I shoot my SCAR pretty regular and let others shoot it often too. I always caution them to keep clear of the handle. I have no idea what the charging handle would or would not do to a thumb.

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    Re: Reciprocating charging handles (RCH) vs non-reciprocating charging handles (NRCH)

    Quote Originally Posted by Suwannee Tim View Post
    You raise a question I have always wondered about. What does it do to the thumb of the poor fool who grips, say a SCAR with his thumb behind the operating handle? I shoot my SCAR pretty regular and let others shoot it often too. I always caution them to keep clear of the handle. I have no idea what the charging handle would or would not do to a thumb.
    Less than taking an SA80 CH to the face, but more than hitting the sharp edge of a magazine during TRB.

    Think "stubbing a toe".
    It's survivable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by halmbarte View Post
    Subject came up elsewhere in the context of why the AR has a NRCH vs the other choices Stoner could have made..........
    I don't think the OP's question has been answered so I'll try. Lots of folks more knowledgeable on the history of the AR than me and if I'm wrong please weigh in. The origonal AR10 had a charging handle under the carry handle near the front. The charging handle got too hot to use so the design was changed to the familiar T shaped charging handle. Here is a Wikipedia photo:



    Stoner's design objective was to have a mechanism almost perfectly balanced around the axis of the bore, every other feature was subject to this objective. A reciprocating charging handle would have violated this objective.

    I admit I don't know if this original charging handle reciprocates. Anyone know the answer to that?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Failure2Stop View Post
    .......Think "stubbing a toe".
    It's survivable......
    That's good to know. I have worried about someone hurting themselves shooting my SCAR. I let a 15 year old shoot my 458 Lott a couple of weeks ago and he got a little scope cut. I've been waiting for his Mommy's lawyer to send me a subpoena.

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