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Thread: Reciprocating charging handles (RCH) vs non-reciprocating charging handles (NRCH)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Failure2Stop View Post
    I've seen quite a few stoppages induced by shooters on the SCAR and AK family by placing the support hand in a bad position, or by placing the CH in a position to be interrupted by the environment. None of these were observed with an experienced shooter with more than a few hours of training on the platform.

    It is something that can go wrong; training reduces that potential problem.



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    I have seen this with the M1A as well.
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    While trying the once popular mag well hold (left handed) I had a tendency, at first, for my thumb to cover the ejection port. I recall thinking "this ain't good" and moving my thumb before firing but wouldn't the thumb induce a similar stoppage or is brass ejecting with enough force to prevent this?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Suwannee Tim View Post
    I don't think the OP's question has been answered so I'll try. Lots of folks more knowledgeable on the history of the AR than me and if I'm wrong please weigh in. The origonal AR10 had a charging handle under the carry handle near the front. The charging handle got too hot to use so the design was changed to the familiar T shaped charging handle. Here is a Wikipedia photo:



    Stoner's design objective was to have a mechanism almost perfectly balanced around the axis of the bore, every other feature was subject to this objective. A reciprocating charging handle would have violated this objective.

    I admit I don't know if this original charging handle reciprocates. Anyone know the answer to that?
    The original did not reciprocate and honeslty was the same as it is now. The only diff was where the latch was located.

    On the original when you charged it the rod would come out and over the stock, this also left a gap in the upper where elements could enter.

    The current design is superior to the original.


    Whoops looks like thats a revised version. Here is the original CH.
    These were not attached and instead seperate halves. None of the pics are mine.




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    Quote Originally Posted by sinlessorrow View Post
    The original did not reciprocate and honeslty was the same as it is now. The only diff was where the latch was located......
    And where the operator grabbed it with his finger, near the area heated by hot gas. My understanding is the latch got hot which is why it was moved.

    Interesting photos. Thanx.
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    RCH is just one more thing that "can" go wrong in a hasty gun fight. The current setup with F/A is much "safer" in that regards.

    The only time charging handles break is when the Recon-Delta-SEAL mall ninja commandos are doing their super koolaide open palm tactical slam charges in the living room for their friends and female spectators.

    Use the charging handle like it was designed and not how YouTube teaches it and there is no issue...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mall_Ninja View Post
    RCH is just one more thing that "can" go wrong in a hasty gun fight. The current setup with F/A is much "safer" in that regards.

    The only time charging handles break is when the Recon-Delta-SEAL mall ninja commandos are doing their super koolaide open palm tactical slam charges in the living room for their friends and female spectators.

    Use the charging handle like it was designed and not how YouTube teaches it and there is no issue...
    It should be pretty clear that the AR CH was designed to be used with the two finger method, using the right hand if you're right handed, left if you're a lefty. The currently popular method of righties using the left hand wasn't original, it's a technique that was developed later.

    Also, separating the CH and FA functionality isn't great design. It requires training to learn that you use one control to move the BCG one way and a different control, located in a different area, to make it go forward.

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    Quote Originally Posted by halmbarte View Post
    It should be pretty clear that the AR CH was designed to be used with the two finger method, using the right hand if you're right handed, left if you're a lefty. The currently popular method of righties using the left hand wasn't original, it's a technique that was developed later.

    Also, separating the CH and FA functionality isn't great design. It requires training to learn that you use one control to move the BCG one way and a different control, located in a different area, to make it go forward.

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    Honestly the standard CH on the AR is pretty durable and newer ones are near indestructible.

    As for the FA......There is no reason to ever use it. Stoner did not even want it on the rifle that was the Army. If you are using the FA to jam rounds into the chamber youve got bigger problems. If your gun is having issues chambering a round due to lack of lubricant recharging the rifle works just fine. There is honestly no reason for the FA on the AR.
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    There are reasons that might force one to try a FA:

    1) rifle is has enough dirt, dust or mud in it that the BCG won't close.
    2) post chamber check
    3) to allow water to drain after rifle is submerged
    4) the rifle might just be that dry, especially combined with 1) and a lack of time to relubricate and/or clean.

    Not all shooting happens on sunny days at the range, at bulls-eyes at a known distance.

    Personally, I think the FA hardly needs to be used. But, if you really need to force the BCG shut, it's your only choice.

    For example, w/o using the RCH as a FA I would only have got one round out of this Mini-14 after it got dirty: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WcfqZFWpk9s

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    Quote Originally Posted by sinlessorrow View Post
    As for the FA......There is no reason to ever use it.
    Jessica Lynch would argue otherwise...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mall_Ninja View Post
    Jessica Lynch would argue otherwise...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Iraqgunz View Post
    This is 2012. The world is going to end this December and people are still trying to debate the merits of piece of shit, cost cutting crap AR's. Really?

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