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    Wrong... its mechanical bias. These things are tools... some work better than others.. thats just reality. You have no $%^&ing idea who I am or what I know. I suppose that you are the spokesman for all the entities you mentioned? or have ever considered that cost, availability, adaptability are factors. The M4 platform has more things designed to snap onto it... period. Its a huge factor in picking a weapon that will be serving a special purpose.

    Thats not groundbreaking info ... but thanks for letting me know

    They would be fools not too. Too much adaptability to give up when going with another platform. Its is the same reason that you see so many new weapon systems resemble or directly mimic the AR ergonomic platform. It has more to do with what is available to tune the M-4 to special purpose than your illusions of M4 infallibility.

    Please tell us who you are and what you know. Based on what you have said thus far, and your urban myths about firearms, I am going to assume that it's little to none. Playing COD or owning a gun does not make one an expert.

    When you say IME, That means shit here. Plenty of people live in a little bubble and think their small exposure to a weapon or system is somehow representitive to how it really is. If a guy buys a colt 6920 brand new, and it wont run, does that mean Colts are unreliable pieces of shit?

    You have refused to answer basic questions , and in return ask them back to me? Stop deflecting and man up and be honest. If you don't know then state such.

    The Aug is not more manuverable CQB. In fact, throw armor on and you will quicky realize that the fixed LOP sucks and you are better off with a M4 or Mk18. I'm not even getting into clearence drills, mag changes ect, beacuse its not even worth it. The M4 is VERY manuverable in CQB enviroments , and the MK18's real advantage is OAL with a Can on the end.

    Everything you have said has conrtradicted yourself. I'm not sure if you are bi-polar or just grasping at straws.
    I am a Army combat veteran. I am a Fed LEO w/10 years experience. I am a Federal Firearms instructor/ 3 years. I am a Fed Use of force instructor.

    As you can see your opinion of me isnt relevant to my position or knowledge.

    I have not contradicted myself . You injected some info that I did not submit in order to delude yourself into believing that.. your problem, your delusion .. good luck on your planet.

    I never mentioned body armor... because I don't wear it at home. Even if I did it wouldn't be a problem for me because my physical stature allows for a 15 ich LOP to be very workable even with level 3a body armor, add to the fact that I have a PRO mounted up as far as possible on the rifle..even more meaningless.... but you probably meant full-on military Interceptor plate because you believe nothing else exists but your parameters.

    I have trained in clearance drills.. I dont use my AUG for them though because my Agency doesnt allow personal weapons. If it did I know I would perform better with my AUG. It is why it is my go-to weapon at home. My experience and 1st hand perception of reality has brought me to this conclusion.

    Mag changes are very natural to me with my AUG. You see when I first purchased the weapon I had a rough time performing fast smooth mag changes. I came to the logical conclusion that I must train to overcome this deficiency... or cry about how hard mag changes are on an AUG then proceed to tell the world about how bad the AUG sucks ... because I suck with the AUG. I chose to train and become proficient.

    As far as clearance drills go... I haven't trained much on them except for induced double feed here and there... no big deal... the weapon never jams on me.

    The M4 is VERY manuverable in CQB enviroments , and the MK18's real advantage is OAL with a Can on the end.

    Would you agree that an 11.5 inch barrel M4 would be more maneuverable than an M4 with a 14inch barrel? Even a difficult person would concede to this fact. You know why it would be more maneuverable? because its %^&*in shorter. ... like an AUG

    All the points you spouted are opinions people express when they don't want to learn a new platform or have some kind of twisted view of the world were only what they encounter or prepare for exists .....or have an unhealthy overzealous attachment to an inanimate object.

    They are just rifles man. I picked the one that works best for me... Why are you flipping out?

    You also failed to answer the same questions when I asked them of you

    Have you considerable experince running AUGS AND AR's through shoothouses and CQB? Taken any national level carbine courses with a bullpup?
    what does that make you?
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    Quote Originally Posted by signkutter View Post
    My Piston gun is MUCH easier to clean ot runs cooler because it doesn't store the heat in the BCG or the receiver..
    And if the cleaning is irrelevant? Which we know it is....

    And I have a major bone to pick with the notion that AR's store heat in their bolt.

    Feel free to dump a mag or two at any rate you please and I'll happily pull your bolt out with bare hands, and if it's been lubed with nontoxic lube and shot with good clean ammo I'll even kiss it to make a point. They simply don't get hot aside from heavy full auto usage or multiple mag dumps. It was a fantastic marketing ploy by piston companies and the show Future Weapons.

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    I realize that these replies were likely already in-progress when my earlier warning was posted, so no grave foul there; that said, this one is now on ice.

    Will reopen it after the smoke has had some time to clear.

    AC
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    Re-opened.

    Please keep this discussion on-point and respectful. The banter got out-of-hand yesterday afternoon, and we don't need any more of that.

    Thanks.

    AC
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    Re: Did I make a bad call on my first build?

    Quote Originally Posted by zhoenixx View Post
    Ummmm...so yeah... I'm gonna stick with the DI set up. Thanks again guys.

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    Good call.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zhoenixx View Post
    Ummmm...so yeah... I'm gonna stick with the DI set up. Thanks again guys.

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    LOL. Yeah, fun discussion to read for sure. In your place, I would do the same thing. I always ask myself what will X do for me that Y won't and what's the cost differential. If I were a member of Delta, I'm pretty sure my choices would be mission based and I doubt I would be married to any particular weapon/weapon system. Like others I have my favorites, but truthfully the better I get, the less I worry about hardware. Some things work better in certain situations, but there's no such thing as perfect and I find that as my skill level has increased; my worries about hardware has decreased quite a bit.

    I think as others have said that if you want a piston AR, get one that has proven to be reliable; meaning HK, from what I can see LWRC, maybe LMT and Paul Howe recommends PWS, so I'll assume they're fine as well. I've run an LWRC and nice rifle, but I couldn't figure out what it would do for me that a DI rifle wouldn't. I'm not running a suppressed SBR on full auto, so I just didn't see the need to spend the extra money on an HK (which would be my first choice for a piston AR) or an LWRC. I have two DI ARs that fulfill MY needs just fine and cost me less than one LWRC rifle. Better choice for me. And since I clean my firearms fairly regularly, the it keeps the BCG cleaner isn't as big of a deal to me as it is to someone who will run his gun 5000 rounds between cleanings.

    Looks like you have a nice build going; enjoy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Koshinn View Post
    Good call.

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    Quote Originally Posted by signkutter View Post
    I did. That SLP 2000 in a quality gun is very effective. I cleaned my AUG once since I bought it ( initial inspection). I very lightly lube the bolt once in awhile and run a boresnake down the barrel. I scrape the piston assembly once in awhile. So yep as little maintenance so far.. but I only have about 1500-2000 rounds down my AUG. Lubing your gun is maintenance.
    Wait stop. You've only shoot ~2000 rounds and you claim the AUG is better than the AR? I think you are way out of your lane buddy. At 2000 rounds you are just scratching the surface when it comes to learning about a platform.
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    Quote Originally Posted by zhoenixx View Post
    Ok, you guys talked me out of it. I won't (can't) run full auto and I'm not afraid of cleaning my gun, so I will stick with DI.

    Thanks for the knowledge, fellas!
    The Stoner system runs fine suppressed and in full auto. Even in configurations often disliked.

    Ive mentioned it before but one of my good friends has been issued a number of configurations including a 6.5" suppressed AR-15. Ran fine according to him even in auto, only issues was bolt/barrel life of 4,000-5,000 rounds in that config.
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    This is 2012. The world is going to end this December and people are still trying to debate the merits of piece of shit, cost cutting crap AR's. Really?

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    Quote Originally Posted by vicious_cb View Post
    Wait stop. You've only shoot ~2000 rounds and you claim the AUG is better than the AR? I think you are way out of your lane buddy. At 2000 rounds you are just scratching the surface when it comes to learning about a platform.
    No........... I did not make that blanket statement. Only that the AUG has served some purposes for me... in my use of the rifle.... the role I intended it for, superior to any of my non NFA AR platforms. .... and that i didnt have to perform as much maintainance on it because I never found anything in the receiver fouled enough to warrant a cleaning. Thats all...

    I dont think that the AUG is superior to the M4 or AR as a package and I never made that statement. I like them both. I have one of each.

    I also have a ..308 Savage that will easily outshoot both my AR and my AUG... it is inherently superior to the AUG and the AR in a accuracy... but it isnt superior to either platform in all situations. I am pretty familiar with the Savage... I have shot less than 300 rounds through it
    Last edited by signkutter; 08-24-13 at 15:18.

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