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    Re: M16/M4/AR15 VS Other. Are we making rational decisions?

    Quote Originally Posted by jnichols2 View Post
    I'll agree to leave "mall ninja" in the same trashcan as "Haha, did they ever let you out of your room?"

    As I said in my initial input, I served 4 tours in Iraq with 101st Airborne, 4ID, and 1 CAV (2X). I lived and worked with the soldiers.

    On one tour with 1 CAV I tried to help a soldier that received Article 15 punishment for possessing a laser sight for his pistol. It was "unauthorized armament". You only use firearms "as issued".

    I think the 101st, 4ID, and 1 CAV pretty much represent the Army. I also knew many soldiers that ordered, or were sent, customizing parts, but they were careful to keep them hidden from the 1st Sgt.

    As for contractors, they got away with a lot the soldiers couldn't. On some FOBs they were even allowed to have firearms as authorized by their company. If so, the Army wasn't really concerned with any added equipment.

    As Army Civil Service, I had things the soldiers would be punished for. The commander and 1st Sgt knew it. They also knew I wasn't issued and firearms.
    In Afghanistan in '12, everyone, almost without exception, had rails on their M4 or M16. I spent time in Kabul, Bagram, Kandahar, and a few smaller FOBs. I lived with contractors, infantry, SOF, pogues, and Federal/DoD civilians. Everyone had rails.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RogerinTPA View Post
    I recommend taking a class from a well qualified instructor and learn something that might save your life. Do not go back to the guy who taught you that. In the interim, hunker down in a room, call 911 and don't venture out.... and try not to shoot family members fumbling for your flashlight while maintaining control of your weapon.
    Your version of "light discipline"?

    I already planned for enough light to identify and target from a source that won't allow the bad guy to see me. Nor will the light he sees come from my direction.

    As for a class, I guess the Army instructors are somewhat qualified.
    There's an advantage to seeing someone that can't see you. Why light yourself up?
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    Quote Originally Posted by jnichols2 View Post
    Did YOU take the pictures ?? Were YOU there ??

    Beards mean Elite Unit with Elite Budget. I said soldiers. The grunts are issued an M4 or M16 with standard hand guards. No money for elite equipment. They are issued flashlights for their belts.

    Most elite troops are highly trained warriors, that's what attracts the mall ninja type.

    If I use my AR for defense it will be in my home. I will have a flashlight handy, but it won't be mounted on my weapon to provide a beacon for the BG. Hint, I didn't learn that on TV.
    Ya this grunt with my standard hand guards, and no light. Not to mention I definitely didn't have $40,000 in optics on me either. I wish my unit would've had more money so I could've been better equipped.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Koshinn View Post
    In Afghanistan in '12, everyone, almost without exception, had rails on their M4 or M16. I spent time in Kabul, Bagram, Kandahar, and a few smaller FOBs. I lived with contractors, infantry, SOF, pogues, and Federal/DoD civilians. Everyone had rails.
    My last tour was in 2010. I heard they were using red dot scopes now. But I have doubts about flashlights.

    Of course, the army HAS changed in the last year or so.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jnichols2 View Post
    My last tour was in 2010. I heard they were using red dot scopes now. But I have doubts about flashlights.

    Of course, the army HAS changed in the last year or so.
    That picture was from 2009.

    So was this..


    and this..


    I'm sure I could find more.. If I looked hard enough I might be able to find some from 2006-ish. Whatever the issued flashlight was called back then.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Army Chief View Post
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    Your experience doesn't reflect that of many of us who have spent numerous years in Iraq, Afghanistan and elsewhere. I also, worked with and interacted with units from all branches and many had rail systems (KAC) on the M4's and M16's.

    Numerous personnel also had a version of a weapons mounted light whether it was a form of Surefire or the old Insights lights.

    These were not "elite units" as you pointed out.

    As for not having a weapon light on a long gun, maybe you need to get out and look at what most if not all current EXPERIENCED instructors are using. Not to mention local, state and law enforcement personnel.

    Quote Originally Posted by jnichols2 View Post
    Did YOU take the pictures ?? Were YOU there ??

    Beards mean Elite Unit with Elite Budget. I said soldiers. The grunts are issued an M4 or M16 with standard hand guards. No money for elite equipment. They are issued flashlights for their belts.

    Most elite troops are highly trained warriors, that's what attracts the mall ninja type.

    If I use my AR for defense it will be in my home. I will have a flashlight handy, but it won't be mounted on my weapon to provide a beacon for the BG. Hint, I didn't learn that on TV.



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    Gotta echo my fellow Coastie. Certain CG deployable units are some of the last holdouts for non-railed, carry-handle weaponry. There may be change on the horizon on that score.

    My day job long gun (MP-5N) comes with a flashlight.

    Handheld flashlights good for pistols, not so much with long guns.

    If one admits that a flashlight is a good idea, how can one be against mounting one on a weapon?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jnichols2 View Post
    Your version of "light discipline"?

    I already planned for enough light to identify and target from a source that won't allow the bad guy to see me. Nor will the light he sees come from my direction.

    As for a class, I guess the Army instructors are somewhat qualified.
    There's an advantage to seeing someone that can't see you. Why light yourself up?
    Flashbulb technique from a rail mounted light, activated with my support thumb with a red dot sight. Not all Army instruction is created equal. As far as rails are concerned, even fobbits had rails. The only ones who didn't were some support reservist and USAF support personnel. Folks who actually left the FOBs on a regular basis had lights, lasers, RDSs and powered optics, most with PMags.
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    Re: M16/M4/AR15 VS Other. Are we making rational decisions?

    Quote Originally Posted by jnichols2 View Post
    My last tour was in 2010. I heard they were using red dot scopes now. But I have doubts about flashlights.

    Of course, the army HAS changed in the last year or so.
    Pretty much everyone had an Aimpoint or ACOG. Running irons was by far the minority. I saw a few Elcans too.

    Quote Originally Posted by RogerinTPA View Post
    The only ones who didn't were some support reservist and USAF support personnel. Folks who actually left the FOBs on a regular basis had lights, lasers, RDSs and powered optics, most with PMags.
    Most USAF support personnel had rails and M68s of some variety. I had a CompM4, a Surefire light, and a VCAS sling on my M4.
    Last edited by Koshinn; 08-28-13 at 21:49.
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