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Thread: M16/M4/AR15 VS Other. Are we making rational decisions?

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    Quote Originally Posted by grunz View Post
    As far as gear goes I'm a fan of those "tactical" gear belts.

    I run a VTAC Brokos belt and I has everything I need, pistol, 2x pistol mags, a small dump pouch and 4x fast mag AR mag pouches.

    This way I just show up at a class, click on then belt and I'm ready to go. This saves me a lot of time and hassle compared to how I had to thread or snap on my holster and a bunch of mag pouches into a regular pants belt. Same for wrapping up the day.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bluejackets92fs View Post
    Since when did accessories "not matter"? When you are going to go to courses and start training to use your gear, and cheap out on pretty important components, yeah, I am going to voice my opinion. Who doesn't? That is like putting summer tires on a Jeep in Alaska. It's not like an Eagle chest rig is expensive, it's not like an Inforce WML is breaking the bank either, and a sling will set you back another $60. Spending $1500 on a DD rifle and then a combines $100 on accessories is idiotic to me. YMMV.
    relatively speaking, the Jeep is more important than the tires. iknow: i own one. in colorado.

    the fact that the dude sprang for a DD instead of a chest rig that he'll NEVER use outside of class should be earning him kudos instead of derision.

    so by your logic, then, if we're not running a kac sr15 with all tier-1 accessories, we're idiots?

    he's doing it in exactly the right order - again, relatively speaking. and after springing $1700 on a DD, an eagle or inforce might just break his bank...

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    Quote Originally Posted by jmk View Post
    relatively speaking, the Jeep is more important than the tires. iknow: i own one. in colorado.

    the fact that the dude sprang for a DD instead of a chest rig that he'll NEVER use outside of class should be earning him kudos instead of derision.

    so by your logic, then, if we're not running a kac sr15 with all tier-1 accessories, we're idiots?

    he's doing it in exactly the right order - again, relatively speaking. and after springing $1700 on a DD, an eagle or inforce might just break his bank...
    Look, I'm not trying to turn this into a measuring contest. Maybe I look at it different than most, but if I'm spending that kind of cash on a DD and my goal is to outfit it to run courses and have it be my SHTF, EOTW, or whatever gun, I'm going to either spread my purchases out or set aside coin for the stuff. Don't take it the wrong way like I disown the dude or call him at 1am to tell him how much of an idiot he is, he's my friend and friends give each other shit. My comments are all encouragement to make smart upgrades. He bought these accessories within a few days of owning the rifle. To me its just like putting a Simmons scope on a Remington 700 and expecting to shoot it out to 600 meters.
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    Spending $1500 on a DD rifle and then a combined $100 on accessories is idiotic to me.
    Does a flashlight, rail, sling or tactical vest shoot a rifle?

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    Quote Originally Posted by NWcityguy2 View Post
    If your gun can shoot a bullet can can point that gun at a human being and defend your home with it. If it works or not is far more dependent on what you are capable of doing than what kind if gun it is.

    Only you can figure out if it is acceptable to use a gun not ideally suited for HD. My only point is the gun itself is a small part (as long as it is functional) compared to the person using it. That is the true "big picture".
    That's the "any gun is better than no gun" argument. While true, any gun that "can shoot a bullet" is a poor standard to accept. It recalls Joe Biden's double barreled advice. Of course the prudent person works to improve his capabilities. It's not an either/or proposition. Plan for the worst, hope for the best. Don't plan for a solo burglar and hope to not find a gang of home invaders.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NWcityguy2 View Post
    Does a flashlight, rail, sling or tactical vest shoot a rifle?
    No and I'm not suggesting they do. However when your goal is to run courses and train with your rifle for low light scenarios, a good one sure does come in handy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bluejackets92fs View Post
    ...encouragement to make smart upgrades...
    fair. just give him some positive reinforcement to go with the side order of shit.
    Last edited by jmk; 08-27-13 at 00:19.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jmk View Post
    fair. just give him some positive reinforcement to go with the side of shit.
    That's the one area I do applaud. It just bothers me when people cut corners on stuff and expect it to perform with the higher quality counterparts.
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    That's the "any gun is better than no gun" argument. While true, any gun that "can shoot a bullet" is a poor standard to accept. It recalls Joe Biden's double barreled advice. Of course the prudent person works to improve his capabilities. It's not an either/or proposition. Plan for the worst, hope for the best. Don't plan for a solo burglar and hope to not find a gang of home invaders.
    I've seen this argument made online a hundred times. In a world where there are a million ways to die and every single one of us makes compromises that affect our safety somewhere, you still need to have the ideal gun.

    If you want to put words in my mouth and invoke Joe Bidden go for it. Rational people aren't going to discount what I actually say based on it. I haven't played the "what if" game since I got back from my first deployment. Life is too short for that.

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    NOTE: The point about not turning this into a measuring contest is a good one. Dial back the flames on the stove, please.

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