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    Quote Originally Posted by Koshinn View Post
    Pretty much everyone had an Aimpoint or ACOG. Running irons was by far the minority. I saw a few Elcans too.


    Most USAF support personnel had rails and M68s of some variety. I had a CompM4, a Surefire light, and a VCAS sling on my M4.
    Different experiences. On BAF, all the flight line USAF folks had plain jane stock A2s. I dealt with them on a daily basis before and after every flight.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jnichols2 View Post
    Did YOU take the pictures ?? Were YOU there ??

    Beards mean Elite Unit with Elite Budget. I said soldiers. The grunts are issued an M4 or M16 with standard hand guards. No money for elite equipment. They are issued flashlights for their belts.

    Most elite troops are highly trained warriors, that's what attracts the mall ninja type.

    If I use my AR for defense it will be in my home. I will have a flashlight handy, but it won't be mounted on my weapon to provide a beacon for the BG. Hint, I didn't learn that on TV.
    Here you go. Amazing how no one has lights or anything...oh wait.
    http://www.flickr.com/photos/world_a...7623106855053/

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/world_a...7628771019943/
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    This is 2012. The world is going to end this December and people are still trying to debate the merits of piece of shit, cost cutting crap AR's. Really?

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    So, EVERY Soldier in the company I commanded had rails and optics (M68 or ACOG). One of my platoons had lasers designators. That was a year ago in Afghanistan.

    When I was a PL in Iraq, EVERY Soldier had rails and some sort of optics (M68 or ACOG). That was in 2006.

    I'm not a special guy, nor am I an infantryman..... I'm a support guy.

    I'm in the mindset of 'less-is-more'. I carried an M4 with an Aimpoint Micro on it last year. If I couldn't get it with that, then I pulled something else out of my bag of tricks, like machine guns, CAS/CCA, or what have you. I even got to fire a Karl Gustav!

    My space bubble for a carbine is out to 300-500m. The space bubble gets as close as 0m though, and that's a hand full.

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    M16/M4/AR15 VS Other. Are we making rational decisions?

    Quote Originally Posted by jnichols2 View Post
    There's an advantage to seeing someone that can't see you. Why light yourself up?
    You must hate fighting during the day. Ya know, when your target can see you.

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    Re: M16/M4/AR15 VS Other. Are we making rational decisions?

    Quote Originally Posted by jnichols2 View Post
    My last tour was in 2010. I heard they were using red dot scopes now. But I have doubts about flashlights.

    Of course, the army HAS changed in the last year or so.
    I was an infantryman from 2003 to 2011, and we had aimpoints, acogs, lights, and lasers the entire time. Maybe you were just in a shitty unit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gun71530 View Post
    I was an infantryman from 2003 to 2011, and we had aimpoints, acogs, lights, and lasers the entire time. Maybe you were just in a shitty unit.

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    Said he was 101st.
    Quote Originally Posted by C4IGrant View Post
    Colt builds War Horses, not show ponies.
    Quote Originally Posted by Iraqgunz View Post
    This is 2012. The world is going to end this December and people are still trying to debate the merits of piece of shit, cost cutting crap AR's. Really?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jnichols2 View Post
    I'll agree to leave "mall ninja" in the same trashcan as "Haha, did they ever let you out of your room?"

    As I said in my initial input, I served 4 tours in Iraq with 101st Airborne, 4ID, and 1 CAV (2X). I lived and worked with the soldiers.

    On one tour with 1 CAV I tried to help a soldier that received Article 15 punishment for possessing a laser sight for his pistol. It was "unauthorized armament". You only use firearms "as issued".

    I think the 101st, 4ID, and 1 CAV pretty much represent the Army. I also knew many soldiers that ordered, or were sent, customizing parts, but they were careful to keep them hidden from the 1st Sgt.

    As for contractors, they got away with a lot the soldiers couldn't. On some FOBs they were even allowed to have firearms as authorized by their company. If so, the Army wasn't really concerned with any added equipment.

    As Army Civil Service, I had things the soldiers would be punished for. The commander and 1st Sgt knew it. They also knew I wasn't issued and firearms.
    Your experience doesn't seem to match up with ANYONE here. You're either flat out lying about your time or you stuck your head in the sand. I was in 1 CAV back in '06. We had Crimson Trace lasers for our M9's. We all had M4's with KAC rails, PEQs, Aimpoints, and ACOGs. Our 240's had Elcans and EOTechs. Same when I was with 2 ID. Same for my tour with 4ID now. The person with a stock M16A2 is the exception, not the rule. Lights, rails, lasers, and optics have been the standard for close to a decade.

    Issued flashlights for our belts? Since when?
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    Re: M16/M4/AR15 VS Other. Are we making rational decisions?

    Quote Originally Posted by sinlessorrow View Post
    Said he was 101st.
    I spent 6 years in the 101st, and like I said we had aimpoints, acogs, peq 15's, and surefire scout lights.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jnichols2 View Post
    Did YOU take the pictures ?? Were YOU there ??

    Beards mean Elite Unit with Elite Budget. I said soldiers. The grunts are issued an M4 or M16 with standard hand guards. No money for elite equipment. They are issued flashlights for their belts.

    Most elite troops are highly trained warriors, that's what attracts the mall ninja type.

    If I use my AR for defense it will be in my home. I will have a flashlight handy, but it won't be mounted on my weapon to provide a beacon for the BG. Hint, I didn't learn that on TV.
    Hey Army Civil Service guy, just where did you learn to not use a weapon mounted light....unlike the rest of the Army? And just what the heck is Army Civil Service anyways?
    Last edited by scoutfsu99; 08-28-13 at 23:31.

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    Quote Originally Posted by scoutfsu99 View Post
    Your experience doesn't seem to match up with ANYONE here. You're either flat out lying about your time or you stuck your head in the ****ing sand. I was in 1 CAV back in '06. We had Crimson Trace lasers for our M9's. We all had M4's with KAC rails, PEQs, Aimpoints, and ACOGs. Our 240's had Elcans and EOTechs. Same when I was with 2 ID. Same for my tour with 4ID now. The person with a stock M16A2 is the exception, not the rule. Lights, rails, lasers, and optics have been the standard for close to a ****ing decade.

    Issued flashlights for our belts? ****ing clownshoes. Stop embarrassing yourself guy.
    This is about eight kinds of confrontational, and an open invitation for a pissing contest. Please find another way to make your points -- even, or perhaps, especially, the more emphatic ones.

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