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    Quote Originally Posted by Army Chief View Post
    Exactly parallels my experience, right down to the specific models named. The 900 series units were probably better suited for use as bludgeoning instruments than tactical lights -- at least, by today's standards -- but I suppose that ony serves to show how far we've come. The new Ultras are nigh unto ridiculous when it comes to the sheer amount of light they are throwing off.

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    I thought 60 lumens was pretty cool. Then I got a 120 lumen light. I thought I could see into the future!

    This 200 & 500 lumen business is getting kinda ridiculous. I don't need to flag down a spaceship. I just need to cause a little blindness in a baddie, positive ID my target, then deal with it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by C4IGrant View Post
    I am a big fan of nice glass, guns and gear. The problem is that many people do NOT have the finances to buy one of everything and end up making poor choices with the money the do have.

    My post was intended to save them from themselves (or at least try).




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    Quote Originally Posted by bigkracka View Post
    Don't be that guy.
    Why not? Is there something wrong with trying to help people with less experience. I don't know Grant personally, but I highly doubt he's 'that guy' that you're referencing.

    I think there are many people here and elsewhere that could learn a thing or two from Grant, and all the other great SMEs and others on this forum who have more experience. I, for one, value their opinions, and all the knowledge and experience shared here is what makes this site great.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Army Chief View Post
    Exactly parallels my experience, right down to the specific models named. The 900 series units were probably better suited for use as bludgeoning instruments than tactical lights -- at least, by today's standards -- but I suppose that ony serves to show how far we've come. The new Ultras are nigh unto ridiculous when it comes to the sheer amount of light they are throwing off.

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    Nothing like going from an ancient M900 series light to the X300U. Talk about a difference. 60lumes to 500.


    Quote Originally Posted by TheBelly View Post
    I thought 60 lumens was pretty cool. Then I got a 120 lumen light. I thought I could see into the future!

    This 200 & 500 lumen business is getting kinda ridiculous. I don't need to flag down a spaceship. I just need to cause a little blindness in a baddie, positive ID my target, then deal with it.
    Just imagine in the dark, your pupils dialated taking in as mch light as possible. Out of no where 500Lumens of light hit you from 10ft away, you would be incredibly blind for a while.
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    This is 2012. The world is going to end this December and people are still trying to debate the merits of piece of shit, cost cutting crap AR's. Really?

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    Re: M16/M4/AR15 VS Other. Are we making rational decisions?

    Quote Originally Posted by sinlessorrow View Post
    Just imagine in the dark, your pupils dialated taking in as mch light as possible. Out of no where 500Lumens of light hit you from 10ft away, you would be incredibly blind for a while.
    It would be just like that Nazi from Raiders of the Lost Ark who didn't close his eyes.
    "I never learned from a man who agreed with me." Robert A. Heinlein

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    Quote Originally Posted by sinlessorrow View Post
    Just imagine in the dark, your pupils dialated taking in as mch light as possible. Out of no where 500Lumens of light hit you from 10ft away, you would be incredibly blind for a while.
    And I would be blind too, because I'm not Cory Hart and I don't wear my sunglasses at night. There's a balance in there, and it's different for everyone.

    For ME, with my white walls and mirrored ceilings, 500 is waaaayyyy too much light in the middle of the night.

    (I was just kidding about the mirrored ceilings)

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    Quote Originally Posted by cwegga View Post
    Wait, shouldn't we be practicing carrying our spare mags in the waistband of our underwear then if we are practicing for HD? This is actually the one thing that makes me consider getting some sort of chest rig. Jump out of bed next to naked, no pockets, I might have time to throw on a loose chest rig and have something with a spare mag, flashlight and phone and a way to carry them hands free. Or maybe a get a redi-mag and call it good.
    Or just go with what you have in the gun.

    I look at home defense in the manner that I'll have what I have. If I grab the pistol, I've got 15 rounds (or 9 with the 1911) to deal with the threat. If I make it to the AR, I've got 30 rounds to deal with the threat. I'm not making time to grab a vest (which coincidentally sits next to the long gun), toss it on, holster said pistol and go looking for trouble before dialing 911 and confronting a threat inside my home. The vest is strictly for EOTW purposes and not for "day to day" stuff. I end up using the Fastmag pouch attached to my daily wear belt for anything that might involve a reload like hog hunting and whatnot.

    Too many people have the fantasies about the protracted Mogadishu style firefight inside of one's house and "needing" significant amounts of ammo. If you need more than 15 or 30 rounds to effectively end a fight at close quarters distances against a group of would be home invaders, you're vastly outnumbered or a real poor shot.

    Which is where practice comes into play huge.
    Experience is a cruel teacher, gives the exam first and then the lesson.

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    Lights are great until the criminal sees you and fires while you're identifying the target. Looks cool tho. Not always practical.

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    Quote Originally Posted by johnnybravo View Post
    Lights are great until the criminal sees you and fires while you're identifying the target. Looks cool tho. Not always practical.
    Or you can't positively identify your target and shoot your teenage son who snuck in after curfew.
    As the great warrior poet Ice-Cube once said, "If the day does not require an AK, it is good."

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    Quote Originally Posted by RogerinTPA View Post
    Different experiences. On BAF, all the flight line USAF folks had plain jane stock A2s. I dealt with them on a daily basis before and after every flight.
    Different jobs have different weapons. Cops, beret wearers and selected others depending on the command have had M4s since around 2003/2004 timeframe. I think there were still a few units around 2007 or so waiting to turn in their old rifles, but the majority had been done by then. Some others (IDMTs, Trans guys working convoys, PRTs, etc) are issued an M4 specifically for deployment even though they have an A2 "assigned" as their primary weapon.

    Generally speaking, those that stay in the rear with the gear and are not involved in direct base defense or OTW missions where they could/would encounter armed conflict are issued an A2.
    Experience is a cruel teacher, gives the exam first and then the lesson.

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