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Thread: M16/M4/AR15 VS Other. Are we making rational decisions?

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    Quote Originally Posted by johnnybravo View Post
    Lights are great until the criminal sees you and fires while you're identifying the target. Looks cool tho. Not always practical.
    Have you ever stared into a bright light? Whats your first natural reaction?

    You stick your hand up to block the light, now imagine staring into a light bright enough to blind you forever. Your not going to shoot it, your going to reel in pain as your retinas burn.
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    Huh....500 lumens will blind people? Really?

    Then I guess I should be blind several times over.

    I own a 500 lumen Fury and a 580 lumen Klarus, that I tried out in my apartment with white walls. No issues at all.

    And yeah, I have looked into the light.
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    If someone walked into your house with a light would you be helpless?
    Im just saying if your going to display your position like that you'd better hope they aren't armed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arctic1 View Post
    Huh....500 lumens will blind people? Really?

    Then I guess I should be blind several times over.

    I own a 500 lumen Fury and a 580 lumen Klarus, that I tried out in my apartment with white walls. No issues at all.

    And yeah, I have looked into the light.
    So you stared into a 500 lumen light with no issues? My point was when your pupils are dialted they take in the most light, hitting them with 500 lumens will leave them blinded, even if its only temporarily.

    And yes staring into a 500lumen light can burn your retinas. Its not instant, a second or two wont blind you, but I wouldnt plan on jut shining my ligh on them for a second then Turning it off

    Quote Originally Posted by johnnybravo View Post
    If someone walked into your house with a light would you be helpless?
    Im just saying if your going to display your position like that you'd better hope they aren't armed.
    Depends, if they come in with a light ill see them. I also have memory of the house in my favor to manuever at night through it. Very few robbers come in rocking high power tactical lights. Hey if you would rather fight an attacker in the dark more power to you, hopefully its not your wife just getting a soda.
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    Quote Originally Posted by johnnybravo View Post
    Im just saying if your going to display your position like that you'd better hope they aren't armed.
    Are you being serious right now?
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    And how do you suggest it does that, Sinlessorrow?

    It's a light, not a laser.

    And no, it will not cause you to lose the ability of sight, not even temporarily. It will make you squint, and you will only see a bright white light, but it does not blind you. Dazzled, yes. Blind, no.
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    Re: M16/M4/AR15 VS Other. Are we making rational decisions?

    Quote Originally Posted by johnnybravo View Post
    I wouldn't worry so much about my wife getting a soda at 2 am as I would about getting lucky enough to hit them " directly in the retinas so I can blind them" and hope they raise their hand up to save their vision.
    You know maybe we could win all these wars easily by just threatening them with our retina burning lights. Great plan.
    Lights allow you to properly identify your target. What about this do you not understand?

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    To follow up, exposure to UV light can lead to photokeratitis, ie snow blindness or welders flash.

    This exposure leads to a sunburn-like effect on the cornea and conjunctiva.

    LED lights do not emit that much light energy in the UV spectrum.

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    @sinlessorrow:

    Do you go blind after looking at the headlights of a car or after being taken picture of with a camera using a flash? Both have way more lumens than 500.
    Last edited by Arctic1; 08-29-13 at 19:47.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Arctic1 View Post
    And how do you suggest it does that, Sinlessorrow?

    It's a light, not a laser.

    And no, it will not cause you to lose the ability of sight, not even temporarily. It will make you squint, and you will only see a bright white light, but it does not blind you. Dazzled, yes. Blind, no.
    Well I guess its good to know if I shine my light in someone face all they have to do is squint to ignore it.
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    Fairly sure this is obvious, but the employment of a powerful light really serves two primary purposes:

    1. Temporary disorientation of the subject being illuminated -- not physical blindness -- which ought to buy you a second or two of reaction time. Upon getting hit with a powerful light source, the first impulse of most will be to flee, since moving closer to the light source is pretty counter-intuitive.

    2. The ability to properly discriminate between your visiting mother-in-law, who has gotten up in the night to make a toaster pastry, and the armed thug who is fully-prepared to kill you for your flat-screen television.

    Not saying that one or both should or shouldn't be shot; merely that you should actually have some idea who is who.

    AC
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