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Thread: M16/M4/AR15 VS Other. Are we making rational decisions?

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    If your intention is to stop by and stir the shit pot by making stupid or uneducated comments about lights, sights, planes, trains or automobiles, please don't. Get some training and step into the 21st century.



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    Im not stirring anything. Im just making conversation and making thinking points. I dont think thats a bad thing on this forum. We all have things in common or we wouldn't be here.

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    Let me help: you're either preoccupied with being silly, or you're a bit out of your league where this particular topic is concerned. Some folks are genuinely trying to sort through the benefits and implications of using a weapon light; you're making jokes about banana peels and retinal burns. Not that we don't value humor, but if that is all you're able to infuse into a thread, then you're detracting from the conversation and creating white noise. If you genuinely don't understand what is being discussed, then ask real questions and let's find some real answers. If you just want to make it rain, there are other sites for that sort of thing.

    Not trying to be a jerk about this in the slightest, but I can't tell if you're truly missing the mark, or just pushing buttons.

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    Re: M16/M4/AR15 VS Other. Are we making rational decisions?

    Quote Originally Posted by Army Chief View Post
    Fairly sure this is obvious, but the employment of a powerful light really serves two primary purposes:

    1. Temporary disorientation of the subject being illuminated -- not physical blindness -- which ought to buy you a second or two of reaction time. Upon getting hit with a powerful light source, the first impulse of most will be to flee, since moving closer to the light source is pretty counter-intuitive.

    2. The ability to properly discriminate between your visiting mother-in-law, who has gotten up in the night to make a toaster pastry, and the armed thug who is fully-prepared to kill you for your flat-screen television.

    Not saying that one or both should or shouldn't be shot; merely that you should actually have some idea who is who.

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    Sorry if this adds nothing to the discussion but I thought it would help to bring in different experiences:

    My house at night is not a cave, I can see everywhere, except the corner of the living room by the backdoor, and in the kitchen- my eyes need adjust for that.

    My light- SF Fury, it does not blind me in my house- would be used if I cannot see the bad guy that I think/ know is there.

    The bad guy would be able to see me regardless of my light, or at least hear me. What would give me away is if the bad guy is hiding and I turn my light on. We, however, have a dog- 2 year old pit bull- who is not fond of uninvited strangers. He sleeps in the living room wherever he pleases, he is not locked up.

    The dog would patrol the person if he does not attack, so where my dog is, is where the bad guy will be. I would walk as close as I can before turning my light on.

    The situation varies too much to say what I would do.

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    I was only saying originally its not always practical. I thought the whole topic was pretty humorous really.
    Go ahead and run in with your light on if that what you want to do.
    Im not trying to argue with anyone. You'll know your right if you live through it.
    Even with the element of surprise a light could be sketchy and hearing a noise in the house you cant readily identify already puts you at a disadvantage. Train that!

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    Since we're on the subject ... it is also worth noting that you have to pay close attention to where you're shining the light, as a bright light reflecting against a light-colored interior wall can have very nearly the same effect on you as it does on the person (or persons) in your line of fire. The brighter the light, the greater the potential for problems.

    Good points with respect to dogs and keeping low levels of illumination (i.e. a low-wattage table lamp in the entryway, etc.) in the home at night.

    JB, you aren't seeing the forest for the trees here, and I don't think we're going to be able to reach you with words. You need to get into a shoot house at night, and see these concepts demonstrated. Then, pun intended, the lights will finally come on for you.

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    Every situation is different...exactly.

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    One thing I'm going to point out here,and maybe it's just weird little'ol me,but I have noticed LED lights don't blind you as bad as incandescent lights.
    in general I can shake off the LED in utter darkness fairly quick where with the old yellow incan I'm buggered for several minutes and my retinas feel like I've been staring at the sun for a few days.

    And just a quick thought-I wonder what/when someone is going to make safety glasses or goggles with that material that dims in bright light? with how LED's affect me I suspect some glasses with that would make the affect less.
    "That which is dead can eternal lie,and with strange aeons even death may die"~Lovecraft

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    Quote Originally Posted by johnnybravo View Post
    Even with the element of surprise a light could be sketchy and hearing a noise in the house you cant readily identify already puts you at a disadvantage. Train that!
    I'm guessing you have no idea what you are talking about; as in you have never trained with a former SEAL like Kyle DeFoor or Jeff Gonzalez nor have you ever trained with a former Delta like LAV, Kyle Lamb, Paul Howe, T- Mac, the TigerSwan cadre or SOF guys like JDP or Mike Pannone. Lots of guys on here have. I'm guessing you have never received training from competent guys at all. I'm not trying to give you a hard time, but you don't know what you don't know. These guys are THE experts and their take on lights is definitely diff. than yours.

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