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    Re: M16/M4/AR15 VS Other. Are we making rational decisions?

    Quote Originally Posted by Doc Glockster View Post
    My T1 went in my prepper stash, and I'll be installing an R1 I just ordered from Grant for everyday use.
    Can you explain this a bit?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hump66 View Post
    I agree but when do you give up with stubborn cheap-ass friends? You know, the "it's just as good as", Chicom/airsoft parts buying, what I do works so I don't need your tips crowd.
    Well it is hard. There are two types of people. Ones that learn the easy way and ones that learn the hard way. One of my favorite sayings is that you cannot fix stupid (and shouldn't try).

    Sometimes it is best to take said friend to a training class where the instructor is very knowledgeable about firearms and have them educate them.


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    Quote Originally Posted by C4IGrant View Post
    I am a civilian. It is very common to see me pull mags from a pocket.
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    Train as you carry....
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    that is my thinking as well I almost dumped my ar15 mag carrier and just was thinking of just using my pockets.

    In my reality/fantasy senario, it would be a local cop who knows and shoots with me request me to help him, watch his back(rural area). the most I would have is my carry pistol/mags and maybe and ar15 in the trunk(if the planets were in line) which i'd grab with a spare mag stuffed in my pocket. & more importantly my cell phone.

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    I'll be the first to admit that I do not have enough experience. No real training, no military or LE background, but have enough sense to set my rifle and rig up some what properly. I have a BCM Mod 0 but after a few mods, I realize the short comings for me. I will switch to a BCM midlength in the near future and set it up similar to my MOD 0 and build my SBR after my Form 1 clears.

    However, I do see what Grant is talking about a lot. People with senseless gear, cluttered rifles and just dumb setups. Or the ever popular "they're all the same rifles, just different names". One of my friends has a cheap weapon light, no sling and a paintball tac vest, but his rifle is a Daniel Defense. Why spend good money on a good platform and then but shit accessories?

    It just amazes me how some people exceed the need in one area but lack in others, with no plans to change them. I'm not perfect in the sense that I haven't received formal training, but at least I recognize the need for it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by C4IGrant View Post
    I am a civilian. I show up to class as such (as both an instructor and as a student). It is very common to see me pull mags from a pocket.

    Train as you carry. Do you walk around everyday with a plate carrier? If not, why use one in training?


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    Si senor. Only thing I wear 'tactical' in a rifle class are my TCI ear pro, Arc'teryx knee pads & Mechanix gloves. But the Mechanix gloves are camo so they look freaking awesome!

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    Quote Originally Posted by jaxman7 View Post
    Si senor. Only thing I wear 'tactical' in a rifle class are my TCI ear pro, Arc'teryx knee pads & Mechanix gloves. But the Mechanix gloves are camo so they look freaking awesome!

    -Jax
    One needs to meet the gear reqs of the instructor. I have ceramic plates for the instructor that require it. If not, they do not come out.

    Gloves are a good thing as guns can get hot and sharp and hands get worn out.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Travelingchild View Post
    I felt seriously underdressed...
    LOL. Hilarious.

    Quote Originally Posted by 223to45 View Post
    I just went to my first class, I felt seriously out of place, no gear other then rifle, mags and sling. I started to wonder if I made the right decision .
    You mean the decision to take a skill improving class? IMO, that's never the wrong decision. You may find you want to set up a belt or some pouches or something or maybe not, but truthfully you're working the part that counts the most; the software. Mindset/skillset/ experience; more important than the hardware and accessories you choose. That's not me saying choose the cheapest X you can find; but, we spend a lot of time talking about gear/hardware and it's not nearly as important as someone new to this forum would think. If you're squared away with your stuff, good for you. I know guys that prefer a lever action rifle and DA revolver. Kind of antiquated but they hit everything they aim at and if I were fighting with others on my side, I'd rather see guys that are squared with their choices and worked the software as opposed to some wannabe cowboy sporting the latest X.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jaxman7 View Post
    ''' I wear 'tactical' in a rifle class.... camo so they look freaking awesome!
    -Jax
    Must be behind the times I always thought "tactical meant it had to be "BLACK" &"Over priced"...

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    I would spend money on ammunition and training before spending it on ancillary equipment. That goes for any weapon system.

    I cut my teeth on the M-14 and competed for a lot of years with the M1A. My current preference is the AR15 platform in it's simplest form. It's easier to shoot accurately, easier to maintain and less expensive to run.
    Last edited by T2C; 08-26-13 at 20:49.
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    Quote Originally Posted by C4IGrant View Post
    Oh make no mistake, I don't either. That isn't what this thread is about.
    Roger that. Not a response to you specifically, just a general observation.
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