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    Re: Deactivating lower without destroying it.

    Quote Originally Posted by Arctic1 View Post
    Just to put everyones minds at ease, no-one is in any trouble here. At all.

    The lowers (2) are currently stored by a gunsmith, awaiting word from the Police Directorate on what specifically to do in order to deactivate them. The answer we got previously was from the Weapons License Office of Oslo PD.

    The lowers are not mine, but belong to the company I work for. They were ordered in good faith, before I started working there, with no knowledge of the law having been changed. The owner was informed of this by the customs officer responsible for doing the customs tax on the shipment.

    As stated, the intention now is to use them for the showroom, but in order to do that we need to deactivate them. We are currently applying for a firearms dealer license, but since we do not have one yet, we cannot have working weapon parts on display.

    It might end up with us having to cut them in half, but I was just checking to see if anyone knew of a way to render them inoperable without destroying them.

    I also find it odd that there are no specific guidelines on how to do this, but I have searched all over for any clues.
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    Nothing really, except keeping the appearance as close to original as possible.

    But the welding option sounds good though, if it is impossible to remove after it is done.

    We want to comply with the vague laws that are in place.
    Last edited by Arctic1; 08-29-13 at 17:46.
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    Could it be sawed in half lengthwise? So that you have a right and left half? You could then mock it up and the pins would hold it together for display purposes. For those here in the US, would that be acceptable to the BATF?
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    Some people need to read more and post less. We aren't talking about acceptable U.S methods and we're not talking about burying it in defiance. This is to be used for a display and needs to conform to Norwegian standards or lack thereof.



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    There are quite specific rules for uppers and barrel assemblies, BCG's, firing pins, how to cut, plug and weld these parts, and requirements for complete weapons (upper and lower must be welded together to prevent disassembly).

    Nothing specific for lowers.

    The general requirement is that it must be "rendered permanently inoperable" and "in a fashion that does not allow the deactivated or modified part to be repaired".
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    Put the FCG in place and Devcon the FC pocket and be done. That fulfills the function you need while physically deactivating the lower. That deactivation is very visible and even those without "technical knowledge" can understand if it is put in front of them.


    OP, you stated you already had the lowers in holding, pending yall getting your license but I am wondering if an 80% lower would suit your purpose? Are those legal to possess there? An 80% is pretty much already in the state you need with an unmilled FC pocket. You won't be able to install FCG though. But is that detail a necessity here?

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    As stated previously, it is a stripped lower, and we have no FCG or LPK.

    I do wish I had one, as that would be easier to work with, as you say yourself.

    The degree of completeness is not a factor when determining legality over here.

    ETA: pardon my ignorance on 80% lowers, just googled it and I do believe that one of those would not be considered a weapon part.
    Last edited by Arctic1; 08-29-13 at 19:03.
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    Does it need to be inspect able to those viewing it as a collection piece?

    Fill the FCG/LPK area area with epoxy/JB Weld and clean out the very tip of the pin holes with a Q-Tip so it looks correct from the outside.
    Last edited by wake.joe; 08-29-13 at 19:19.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arctic1 View Post
    As stated previously, it is a stripped lower, and we have no FCG or LPK.

    I do wish I had one, as that would be easier to work with, as you say yourself.

    The degree of completeness is not a factor when determining legality over here.

    ETA: pardon my ignorance on 80% lowers, just googled it and I do believe that one of those would not be considered a weapon part.
    I apologize, I missed that.

    As far as using the Devcon, you should be able to tape the FC pin holes on the outside of the receiver and the trigger slot. Then fill the pocket. The tape will keep the Devcon contained and the holes will fill in. If you added a pigment for color it would make for an easy visual on the holes. It would glaringly and obviously fill the FC pocket to show willing compliance with deactivation.

    ETA: If the pins are not an ITAR item, get them and put them in place. Tape them on the outside so they don't slide out on you either way. Tape the trigger slot. Fill with Devcon.

    If pins are an ITAR item, get the measurement for them online and hit a machine or metal supply house and get the size pieces you need.

    Overall I think you've got a few ways to skin this cat and remain above the board and legal.
    Last edited by Shorts; 08-29-13 at 19:47.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arctic1 View Post
    Just to put everyones minds at ease, no-one is in any trouble here. At all.

    The lowers (2) are currently stored by a gunsmith, awaiting word from the Police Directorate on what specifically to do in order to deactivate them. The answer we got previously was from the Weapons License Office of Oslo PD.

    The lowers are not mine, but belong to the company I work for. They were ordered in good faith, before I started working there, with no knowledge of the law having been changed. The owner was informed of this by the customs officer responsible for doing the customs tax on the shipment.

    As stated, the intention now is to use them for the showroom, but in order to do that we need to deactivate them. We are currently applying for a firearms dealer license, but since we do not have one yet, we cannot have working weapon parts on display.

    It might end up with us having to cut them in half, but I was just checking to see if anyone knew of a way to render them inoperable without destroying them.

    I also find it odd that there are no specific guidelines on how to do this, but I have searched all over for any clues. All I find is a mention of establishing these guidelines, but that they currently don't exist; this is dated 2011.

    http://www.regjeringen.no/mobil/nb/d...html?id=668431

    You guys probably cannot read norwegian, but the link is there anyways...
    From this, I deduce that you have to permanently deactivate it.
    That provides no path for recovery.

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